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> The EU has zero knowledge proof age verification systems

No, they don't. And they can't.


Why can't they?

I hate to break it to you but services have been routinely blocking residential IPs associated with being part of VPN endpoints for the better part of a decade now. Akamai will even sell you (granted they are just reselling another vendors product) a database to do this.


The number of residential IPs acting as endpoints is vanishingly small. It isn't an issue. The number of residential IPs that are part of botnets is something else. They are not blocked. Their bad traffic might be, but nobody cuts of an IP simply because a machine on it got a virus once upon a time. If they did, we would all have to negotiate for a new IP every time a machine was compromised.


The Pro really looks like it's struggling for a reason to exist given how much cheaper this will be and the difference in feature set.


FWIW, my wife is a student and her ipad has probably helped out her out a lot, for a lot of reasons:

* compact form factor allows her to study anywhere easily, especially on public transportation

* can access the internet almost anywhere

* note taking and drawing diagrams with apple pencil

* communication wit for both personal (imessage) and school study buddies (discord)

* can entertain herself with netflix, youtube, games etc when she wants to wind down

* ai apps like perplexity has helped her a lot with writing and research

She also has a laptop, but is rarely used. She even tends to type on her ipad keyboard. The larger form factor for the pro helps with that too.


Maybe a minor thing, but the largest pro in landscape is just barely smaller than a two-page spread in a comic book, making it possibly the best way to read digital comics.

Though, I personally don’t need all the horsepower and would get lower-end iPads in that size if they existed and were cheaper.


The iPad Air and iPad Pro are both available in 11" and 13" variants. 30% savings if you want like-for-like storage, almost 40% if you can do with less.


Oh shit, I didn’t know they had the 12.9 in a lower spec config these days!

That’ll be what I finally get when I replace my current old-ass pro. Never needed the power, just wanted the size.


I fucking love my OLED display on my iPad Pro.


i hate mine. when watching movies, scenes that slowly transition to another view look jaggy. Does that happen to yours?


The pro has the perfect form factor for sheet music. Absurd over kill in terms of other hardware, but there's really no alternative for musicians (other than paper).


Yes, 100%.

If they wanted the policial platforms and had offered to buy them from Warner as standalone for a tenth of the cost Warner would have snapped their hand off.

They need the IP for scale. That is what this is about.


You won't pass Google Play hardware attestation that way, and you won't find a bank in Europe or the UK that doesn't require that to log on to their website within five years.


My bank works fine after relocking (in NL, Europe). And last time I checked all Dutch banks work. My VISA credit card app (from ICS) also works. Same for the government identification app, the government message app, our insurance app. In fact, I haven't encountered anything outside of Google Pay that didn't work.

(I don't deny that there are apps that won't work. Best to check before switching full-time.)


That's a prediction I would disagree with. Firstly, there are application developers which specifically add support for GrapheneOS if they are asked nicely. Secondly, there is a chance that Play Integrity will have to change due to anti-trust regulation.


You pass basic, but not device or strong integrity. This is purely googles fault and is an artificial limitation that requires regulatory restrictions.


The DSA European digital wallet spec currently requires Google or Apple attestation, so not for much longer.

And that is mandated by the EU.


Sigh.


Reputational awareness is what keeps people safe!


Given the Times and the Guardian are British they will be archived by the British Library, as it's a legal obligation.

That doesn't mean anything American library that doesn't pay authors Public Lending Right fees gets to.


Just fucking revert the UI at this point. It's a disaster on macOS.


I'll believe it when I see it. Windows many problems are the results of five years of terrible strategy and not caring about if users actually like your platform. It will require sustained effort over a long period to fix.


There is no such thing in practice.

Anything with zero knowledge is never going to be considered robust enough by a government. Zero knowledge protocols really have no functional revocation mechanism.


The EU has been working on a zero knowledge system as part of the EU Digital Identity Wallet project for a few years now. It is currently undergoing large scale field tests in several countries with expected release late this year. All member states are required to provide at least one free secure interoperable implementation to their citizens, and regulated industries such as banks and telecoms, are required to accept it. If a member state passes a law requiring age verification on social media it must include the EU Digital Identity Wallet as one of the verification methods the site must support.

What was that about no government would consider zero knowledge to be robust enough?


Which of these governments do you trust? The same governments, mind you, that are working diligently to end anonymity on the Internet.


Introducing a solid zero-knowledge age verification option is the opposite direction of ending anonymity in the Internet, which other parts of the same governments are also working on.

So yeah, I'll gladly trust and cheer on the part working in the right direction.


The EU Digital Identity Wallet isn't zero knowledge. I mean it's just not. It relies on Google Play Integrity Attestation on Android and the iOS equivalent on Apple devices because those give it a revocation mechanism, and those aren't zero knowledge.

https://github.com/eu-digital-identity-wallet/av-doc-technic...

It says that it wants to be zero knowledge, but it has no zero knowledge implementation and no plan of how it even possibly could be zero knowledge, and it never will precisely because that is incompatible with the revocation requirements set down by the EU.


Same EU that wants to ban encryption?


(Without accepting the premise that it should be acceptable to have to provide any kind of proof...)

> Zero knowledge protocols really have no functional revocation mechanism.

None would be needed, you (sadly) only age in one direction, so valid proof would never become invalid proof.


>valid proof would never become invalid proof

Somebody can give their proof of age to another person.


And? Presentation of someone else's valid credentials is not fixable by any privacy-preserving mechanism. You can set an expiration date in order to rotate them, and they can be fast-rotating.

In any case, it's a moot point: the correct amount of required identification is zero.


> Presentation of someone else's valid credentials is not fixable by any privacy-preserving mechanism.

And that is precisely why governments will never implement a privacy-preserving mechanism, which is exactly my point.

Compromised tokens would be trivially google-able within a day otherwise.


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