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Hacker News fakes posts later ( AKA the famous Dropbox post )

The best web archive is 22 hours in (.is is 2 hours with same top) and the top believes the post. Nihilist and a NPC failure to understand tech and industry[1] FTW

https://web.archive.org/web/20260103035501/https://news.ycom...

[1] Both programming and business logic are rubbish in the post. A childhish view of the world from people who have never been there.

[edit] If Hacker News can show posts archived after they drop off page x they should do that.

If Hacker News wants to pretend they are archiving history show an accessible frozen copy. If we can't delete old posts because the history matters, this does too.

It wouldn't hurt to watch voting real time either over 24-48 hours. This is scrape-able if collected real time. Data project left to reader. No idea if you'd see anything. India votes different to the USA, you might see that.


I can't make out what you're specifically saying here, but "fakes posts later" doesn't pattern-match in my mind to anything we actually do. All of things we actually do regarding re-upping posts, timestamps, and so on, I've explained many times (e.g. about timestamps here: https://hn.algolia.com/?dateRange=all&page=0&prefix=true&que...), and we're always happy to answer good-faith questions.

As for "the famous Dropbox post", if you mean https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=8863, there was nothing fake about it.


Read their other comments. Why do you allow this as a mod?


We don't. That account has been banned for months: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=45545661.

If you're seeing their other comments, it must be because you have 'showdead' turned on in your profile. Anyone is welcome to turn that on and see all the comments that have been killed for various reasons, but it's important to understand that if you do, you're signing up to see the worst that the internet brings to HN.

As I mentioned at https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=43538728, users sometimes forget that they turned 'showdead' on, then wonder why they're seeing such dreadful stuff in the comments. Could it be that that's what happened in this case?


> Canada is a big factor

Total utter bullshit.

What are your figures as a percentage of total production of Jim Beam goes to Canada?

Or do you just say random garbage like an early LLM?

The US's multiyear slump is enough to 'justify' the temporary stoppage, along with if 'no one is being fired' why is production expected to greatly be reduced?

This is a rubbish BBC article with rubbish Hacker News comments.


> What are your figures as a percentage of total production of Jim Beam goes to Canada?

I don't have Jim Beam specifically... but:

US spirits exports to Canada plummet 85% in Q2 - https://www.thespiritsbusiness.com/2025/10/us-spirits-export...

> Q2 exports of US spirits to Canada plummeted by 85% to US$9.6m, falling below the US$10m mark for the first time, according to the report.

> US spirits sales in Canada plunged by 68% in April 2025, while sales of Canadian and other imported spirits rose by around 3.6% each.

> Canada is a hugely important market for US spirits. In 2024, Canada imported US$221m worth of US spirits, making it the category’s second‐largest export market behind the EU.

Trade War Fallout: The Collapse of U.S. Spirit Exports to Canada in 2025 - https://southernagtoday.org/2025/12/18/trade-war-fallout-the...

> In 2025, U.S. spirit exports to Canada collapsed as a direct consequence of escalating trade tensions, marking one of the sharpest declines in cross-border alcohol trade in recent history. Prior to 2025, Canada accounted for about 11% of U.S. distilled spirit exports. Between 2022 and 2024, Canadian imports exceeded $250 million annually, making Canada the second-largest market for American whiskey, bourbon, rum, and other distilled spirits (USDA, 2025). In March 2025, Canada effectively halted imports and sales of U.S. wine and spirits in retaliation for tariffs imposed by President Trump on Canadian goods. Provincial liquor boards removed American products from shelves, triggering a dramatic plunge in U.S. spirit exports (DISCUS, 2025). Canada also imposed a 25% retaliatory tariff on U.S. distilled spirits and other products in March 2025, which was lifted in September (Government of Canada, 2025). However, the impact far exceeded what would be expected from a 25% tariff alone, underscoring the severity of the trade dispute.

https://www.statista.com/statistics/557788/whisky-dollar-sal...

has historical "how much is imported" - though not brand specific.

https://wits.worldbank.org/trade/comtrade/en/country/CAN/yea...

Has one year and United States is the 2nd after United Kingdom for amount of whiskey imported into Canada.

Combine that with the earlier "Q2 exports of US spirits to Canada plummeted by 85% to US$9.6m, falling below the US$10m mark for the first time, according to the report."

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> The US's multiyear slump is enough to 'justify' the temporary stoppage, along with if 'no one is being fired' why is production expected to greatly be reduced?

There's also that Kentucky taxes aging bourbon.

https://kybourbon.com/industry-news/the-bourbon-state-challe...

> Kentucky distillers are footing a crushing $75 million tab in aging barrel taxes this year, a 27% increase from 2024 and an astronomical 163% increase over the last five years alone. Kentucky remains the only place in the world that taxes aging barrels of spirits.

> Barrel taxes are based on the assessed value of aging barrels which surged to $10 billion this year, a 25% increase over last year’s record of $8 billion. In addition to the 16.1 million barrels of Bourbon, a million barrels of other spirits are aging for a total of 17.1 million barrels.

And part of that is that they overproduced in the earlier part of this decade compared to what they need... take into account that bit about aging barrels are taxed.

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Combine all of that with "Gen Z is not drinking as much" ( https://www.ohbev.com/blog/gen-z-alcohol-trends-consumption-... https://time.com/7203140/gen-z-drinking-less-alcohol/ ) and Jim Beam is predicting reduced demand over the next 5 years for their products. Lets call that "the amount you can make in 1 year is 20% a year over 5 years..."

https://www.nytimes.com/2025/12/22/dining/jim-beam-productio...

> The situation will likely get worse as 2025 draws to a close: At the end of October MGP Ingredients, which distills whiskey on contract for other brands, reported a 19 percent drop in sales for the third quarter.

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> ... along with if 'no one is being fired' ...

From the NYT article:

> It also said it would continue production at its two other distilleries in Kentucky and would keep its bottling facility and visitor center open at the Clermont site. It did not say whether the workers at the distillery would be furloughed or moved to other facilities.

The wording is furlough. That's not firing. The positions aren't being eliminated nor is the person's employment being terminated ... but there is no work for them to do at that location.

It's also important to note that this is following overproduction from the earlier part of this decade. Again from the NYT article:

> The sudden, steep decline in bourbon sales comes after more than 20 years of expansion in American whiskey, which regularly reached 5 percent in annual growth. It went from about $1.4 billion in sales in 2004 to about $5.2 billion in 2024, according to data from the Distilled Spirits Council of the United States, a trade group.

> American whiskey proved especially popular during the pandemic. Consumers stuck at home with spare cash and time fueled an explosion in collecting and buying bottles through auctions and online via informal (and often illegal) markets.

> In response, distilleries boosted production, putting aside millions of barrels to age, announcing multimillion-dollar expansions and flooding the market with new products. Today there are an estimated 16.1 million barrels of whiskey aging across Kentucky. A standard barrel holds 53 gallons, though a significant amount is lost to evaporation during aging.

Specifically for Jim Beam that can be seen in Jim Beam invests $400M to ramp up bourbon production (from 2022) - https://www.foxbusiness.com/lifestyle/jim-beam-invests-400m-...

> With a 50% increase in production of bourbon comes a 50% in used oak barrels which, in time, will help satiate the growing demand for all whiskey including Scotch.


You REALLY hate hacker news users and never seem to have anything positive to say. Take a break.


> Why Medieval Rulers Loved Castles.

Why do men love paper money?

Castles is a thing because it's a thing. Like Rai stones or Bitcoins hashes. They are hard to make.

Once you have a castle everyone rally's around it, they know it will be there in 200 years. When you are old you know your investment will still have the same value to give to your children.

What China is doing in the South China Sea is very cool, making islands. I'd be nice to be in a world humans did it without the power grab as an excuse, but I guess that's the value add governments need when the world is full of sad nihilists on the mainstream media train against building great things, only destruction.


I don't think castles, especially the moat and bailey types discussed in the article. Even those built of stone required maintenance to last longer than decades, especially if you want something usable and not a ruin (and at the time, any construction that's not in use would likely be dismantled, with the construction materials to be re used).

But I agree that money played a part: castles were the place from where the local lord was controlling his estate, extracting taxes from the local farms and controlling the military force that would prevent other from trying to pillage/forage on his lands.


> within the NHS recommended limit

Over the NHS recommended limit is better than zero caffeine for everyone. If their limit is correct is in question

Whether "those with severe mental illness" get more benefit seems unlikely biologically. But like everyone coffee is good for you.

The only point of research like this, since we know coffee is good, is finding the mechanisms. But it's highly open to p-hacking/experimental error, which is how universities work now. You should default to this is citation farming.


How can a ~bit flip can cause something that bad? It would mean everything else like you mention would also be that bad. Bad ram, bad hard disk, loose wire, bird hits the plane, everyone jumps at once, leaking military jamming.

Radiation should be covered under normal safety, along with they already shield for it.

People often wrongly blame things on radiation, bit flips etc. when they don't know the real cause. A well known pattern.

There is a Hacker News item that was on high repeat where they eventually they solved the ~'cosmic radiation bug' as they first called it. Cannot remember the link.

It will not be true no matter what the, I know 'interesting' facts, 'I have a wiki link', crowd tell you. Real life is boring (and amazing). See Heisenbug's - https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Heisenbug


It would be safe overnight.

Any food can be poison including if it's sealed before a use-by, it's about a percentage which a overnight boiled egg would be lower than for the English word 'safe'.

The claim is cooked eggs don't last as long as normal eggs, what is interesting is what is the percentage/graph?

Boiled Easter eggs are a tradition. You don't hear about mass deaths around Easter unlike rice that's been left out at pre-wedding to wedding parties etc.


Okay, I'll bite: who's dying from wedding rice?


https://www.karmactive.com/uk-food-poisoning-cases-rise-due-...

> Rice left at room temperature for more than two hours should be discarded rather than refrigerated.

I believe part of the problem is that re-heating the rice doesn't kill off bacillus cereus so once the rice has been sat around for a couple of hours it can't easily be made safe to eat.


The classic one for rice is bacillus cereus (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bacillus_cereus#Pathogenesis, specifically the emetic form). That said, while unpleasant, it very rarely kills people.


Not the OP, but cooked rice if not properly stored and reheated can lead to food poisoning (Bacillus Cereus is the bug).


Ah. I don't think of cooked rice as a common wedding-dinner dish, but I guess it must be common in parts of the world that eat a lot of rice in general (and who don't have the same default association between "rice" and "weddings" that we do in the West).

What I heard: https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:Fanciful_drawing_by_...

What they meant: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Shirin_polo


One example would help their case.

> Thanks to software research, we know that most code comprehensibility metrics do not, in practice, reflect what they are supposed to measure.

Linked research doesn't really agree. But if it did, so?

If comprehensibility is not a simple metric then who's got a magic wand to do the fancy feedback? Sounds like it'd take a human/AGI which is useless, that's why we have metrics.

Are any real programmers who produce things for the world using comprehensibility metrics or is it all the university fakers and their virtual world they have created?

If this is their 'one example' it sucks.


You can buy it online, check the reviews on Reddit etc to see if it's real before you do.

Because it's untreated it can harbor disease so do not let any insects near it.

Erowid's take - https://erowid.org/experiences/subs/exp_Honey_Mad_Nepalese_R...


> and it really is a wonderful system.

Absolutely, how many ghetto kids are in the school? It weeds them out through $ and expulsions.

Thinking the Montessori system is relevant to the public system shows your schooling failed.

Montessori has the ability to chose pedagogy so certainly has facets that are the quite good and should be applied publicly except for liberal arts graduate ideals.

This study is very young children, limited pregnancies and gang bangers, and also not random. It's randomised on kids who enter the lottery.

Discipline is the only thing that matters in schools, $, class sizes, teacher education levels above average, amazing resources all don't matter except how it apply to discipline. We have 100+ years of data. Air-conditioning to control behavior is an example of what helps. Liberal arts graduates destroy anything else that could work so don't interact with them, stay outside their broken world.


> Discipline is the only thing that matters in schools

I thought it was parenting? This study claims that "parental involvement is a more significant factor in a child’s academic performance than the qualities of the school itself." [0]

I couldn't find better sources on my phone but this is a theme I've heard repeated over and over throughout my life. Parenting makes the difference.

[0] https://news.ncsu.edu/2012/10/wms-parcel-parents/


> Discipline is the only thing that matters in schools, $, class sizes, teacher education levels above average, amazing resources all don't matter except how it apply to discipline.

Got a citation/link?


the montessori method implements discipline. that's one of its features. weeding out ghetto kids is not. that's a problem coming from lack of support from the community/government to pay for a montessori school for those kids. and expulsions should not happen. again, not a feature of montessori education.


If it's real, which we know it's not from these 'studies' being mass produced in the university citation machines for LARPing tech Simps like Hacker News users and all we have is Comcast can tell if you are perhaps in or near a room, what's the point?

You have to sit between two points to measure your heart?

My fitbit can measure my heart outside and running and in the rain and if I have an accident and also oxygen levels.

This is the most useless thing ever, for people with phobia's of wearables, so you can't get their training data anyway?

Nick Bild replicates it here https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Cf6_PGuEiZY of course the University doesn't help at all with the replication, citation machine not a checkable (= refutable) science machine.


We've banned this account for repeatedly breaking the site guidelines badly. Not sure what's going on here, but you've been posting like this a lot, and that's not ok.

If you don't want to be banned, you're welcome to email hn@ycombinator.com and give us reason to believe that you'll follow the rules in the future. They're here: https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html.


If I could take my watch off while I sleep and still get good heart rate / sleep tracking from devices positioned around my bed that would be great. My watch can cause skin irritation and I find it valuable but not having it on while I sleep would probably be healthier. Also as I get older if I could put a wifi device in each room that did active tracking and not have to carry a device I need to keep charged that would be great for life alert style thing, and general health monitoring.


You're making a lot of loud baseless claims really quick, aren't you?

Radar technology isn't some kind of forbidden magic. Can you do radar sensing with 2.4GHz? Yes, absolutely. Now, can you do it well, with an off-the-shelf Wi-Fi chipset, and get down to heartbeat monitoring? Only if the chipset was designed for it. Very few existing chipsets are. Still a new experimental thing.

For practical applications today, I would look instead at things like dedicated mmWave 24GHz radar chips instead - they're getting cheap now. For the future? If chip vendors that ship the usual 2.4GHz/5GHz MIMO router chipsets start putting the relevant features in, the idea would be worth visiting.


If I had the ability to track users heart rates in response to advertisements, media, political content, etc that would be quite valuable for producing content that better captured users and made them feel what I wanted them to feel. Heart rate says a lot about what we're feeling and our attention, especially if you have it all the time and can match it to what we're looking at.


Well that’s good for you but only occasionally good for the users. Often it’s the opposite, sorta gets used against them.


I mean, obviously. That's not the question though, the question is utility. There is undoubtedly utility, it's just that you are the product, not the beneficiary.


Oh okay I get your point. Yeah we’re fucked because it is pretty useful.


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