Hi I'm happy to provide some context: When it comes to support on Chromium it works well but there a few things that still make them less than ideal such as the toolbar that includes the extensions icon and doesn't use the system styling (at least in the case of Linux with Gnome).
Something else I feel would make PWAs much more interesting to most people is if the browser _prompts_ the person to use the PWA, if I'm not forgotten Chrome does this on mobile but not on desktop. You also don't really have much option when it comes to customizing the PWA if the provided manifest gives a bad icon or something like that.
But overall the Chrome browser is the best for PWAs right now on both desktop and mobile. Firefox however has dropped support _completely_ for PWAs which is why I personally don't even consider it an option anymore. Some discussion here: https://connect.mozilla.org/t5/ideas/bring-back-pwa-progress...
AFAIK Apple doesn't really support them too (although theoretically Steve Jobs really liked them when the iPhone first launched) because it undermines their business model of the App Store. I wish companies would use them more because they truly are the best way to develop cross-platform right now (and the PWA size is just the size of the page load for the SPA!)
Hi there, I'm the product manager for PWAs on the Chrome team.
Very interested in hearing about pain points you've had building out PWAs, especially if there's features you were keen on that haven't been released. Easiest way to reach me is on Twitter: https://twitter.com/b1tr0t
Fully agree with you that docs are all over the place. We've started to consolidate docs under web.dev, and the PWA section launched recently (https://web.dev/progressive-web-apps). Consolidating and adding docs is an active area of investment, and our goal is to create a well lit path for developers to succeed with PWAs.
was way too complicated as a first example, if all I wanted to know was how to make my app installable and is also broken as it uses some outdated tools. (don't remember the details)
Also, it could have been mentioned somewhere, that when you serve from localhost, you do not need SSL to install it. Knowing that, would have saved me the trouble of messing with apaches config and certificates.
So that was very frustrating as a start.
Much more helpful was a very simple hello world pwa which was barely installable. But it worked. And from there it was easy.
Thanks for the feedback! This is now the reference "first PWA" example: https://web.dev/codelab-make-installable. Let me know if you find it easier for new devs to get started with. The other codelab and a lot of other scattered content will be removed once we finish the migration to web.dev.
Please consider contributing to MDN. It's the best source for web development and it would be great to keep everything there, properly cross-referenced, etc.
The statement from b1tr0t directly refute that Google is contributing to MDN, as they put it: "Fully agree with you that docs are all over the place. We've started to consolidate docs under web.dev". As far as I know, web.dev is not MDN and has nothing to do with MDN.
As another user mentioned, we do contribute to MDN. MDN is where we point devs for reference documentation. web.dev is for guides, how to's and other support docs.
Heh, you're asking a googler who's basically responsible for some of the actions Google is taking with Chrome, trying to make the web only browseable via Chrome and centralizing information under their own Google brand, to contribute to a cross-company/community effort (Mozilla + Microsoft + open source hackers)? While noble, I can only wish you good luck.
I think the sail has long sailed for asking Chrome/Google to help out with the openness/sharing on the web/internet. It's time we just start ignoring them instead.
Just want to note that you specifically mentioned Microsoft working with open source hackers in this comment saying that the ship has long since sailed on Chrome/Google contributing to the open web.
I don't know, never say never I guess. I'm certainly not going to defend Google's track record on openness and privacy -- there have been, under even the most generous of interpretations, huge missteps, and I don't think they deserve the benefit of the doubt -- but they do contribute. Edge backed by Chromium?
Reading that announcement makes b1tr0t's statement "We've started to consolidate docs under web.dev" even worse, as they previously said they are gonna contribute to MDN, but now they have turned and use their own shit anyways.
Just so understand correctly, you're contributing reference documentation to MDN but then everything else goes into web.dev? Why not contribute the "guides and other supporting documentation" to MDN as well?
As I understand, the Product Advisory Board for MDN was created with Mozilla + others in order to combat the fragmentation of information, but your actions seems to do the opposite.
More background services would be very nice even though it's a bit of a security nightmare. A request was opened almost 5 years ago for background geolocation services.
I don't want Google or central authorities to decide which PWAs are "trustworthy" directly to ask for certain permissions but there could be a way or compromise. I don't remember which feature it was but it required yes from Google.
I really want the first screen after installing PWAs to be their privacy policy or detailing which permissions/how they use them. It should be mandatory and important or may show a default screen with permissions and few dangerous ways they can be used for.
Background geo, including geofencing is challenging, but there may be a way forward. We're exploring this conceptually, but it's not in the plan for 2020. I'd certainly like to be able to improve the capabilities of web based ride sharing and similar apps that have a need for this.
Bluetooth discovery is an especially thorny area from a privacy perspective. What use cases did you have in mind?
Asking for permissions upfront has been found to be an anti-pattern in systems UXR. Research has found that users make better decisions and find the experience less interruptive when permissions are requested in context at runtime. For example, in a video chat app, it's better to ask for the camera/mic permission at the start of the first chat session, not when the app first starts. Mac OS, Android etc. and other platforms have all been moving in this direction over the past few years.
When the permission is requested, we're investigating ways that we can do more to communicate permission risks to the user. Nothing publicly shareable yet, but do expect experiments to be showing up in dev channels over the next few months while we try new things.
From a Canadian viewpoint, the last couple of years of populism has been a bit like discovering your favorite Uncle has a probably lethal opiate addiction.
I believe the goal of the study was to explore how visual perceptions & expectations could influence the perception of taste.
Have you ever been focused on an activity and had more than one beverage at hand, and picked up the wrong one? For example, while coding, I had a freshly opened cold coke and yesterday's room temperature coffee both in reach. Focused on my screen, I took the coffee when I intended to pick up my coke. The mismatch between expectation and reality was very unpleasant when it hit me, but what was interesting was there was some fraction of a second after I took the sip before my consciousness was aware (painfully, painfully aware) that what I was drinking was not a fresh, cold coke.
Perception is interesting. What we see and what we expect are big influencers on what we perceive. I'm curious whether our other perceptions (touch, smell, hearing) can influence what our visual perception as strongly.
There isn't a lot of good data on foreign transactions because regional and federal governments have worked hard to make sure data was not collected on it. Popular pressure is slowly changing that.
One observation I have is that even if it's just single digit as a %, it can exert very significant pressure on the market. A bubble is a mob effect. It begins with some properties purchased at prices the local market can't support, regional opportunists jump in seeing the opportunity for flipping, then fear of missing out, especially for first time buyers, results in a stampede as people see the ladder going up and leverage themselves to get the last rung before it goes out of reach. But there was never any real scarcity in the first place.
Point being, a small amount of foreign investment can have a leveraged influence on local markets.
I do think the "foreign" word there gets too much attention though. The more important question to ask is - should property as an investment be something we economically encourage. How much economic activity does a $5M 3 bedroom house actually generate? I don't pretend to know the answer but I think this focus on the "foreign" bogeyman is blocking us from having more important conversations about the role of real-estate in economic policy.
The only way I can see to fix this is if there was more economic incentive for advertisers to care about the quality of the articles where their ads are placed.
An old but concrete example: Andy Grove, in High Output Management, describes a fairly typical 8 to 5 day in which he works until he's tired, with level of fatigue vs level of "doneness" being the deciding factor of when he ends his day.
"I lost faith in democracy after the election because of the amount of companies and people that feel like the only way to beat Trump in the next election is to suppress the freedoms of the people that support him."
Evidence of systematic suppression please? Who? What? When? Where?
Maybe? Consciousness is pretty ill defined. If you define it such that it can be measured, then the measurement answers the question. If you define it such that it cannot be measured, then I think it's kind of meaningless.
Covert racism and sexism, which happens much much less than what many portray, yes.
However, we aren't talking about that. We are talking about what can't be measured.
The pay-wage gap for women is a good example. The left seems to think this is due to covert sexism. When you compare for education, job title, and many other factors to equal out the comparisons, there is no wage gap.
In what way is the wage gap argument even relevant here? This is a measurable thing, and people can discuss and debate actual facts. As you pointed out, some analyses of the data don't indicate a systematic bias. Regardless of what you believe, there are data and factual statements that can be made. But it's also utterly irrelevant.
On the other hand, you've made the claim that a very large number of people who oppose Trump want to suppress the freedoms of his supporters. This is a falsifiable claim, but you say that it cannot be measured and you can't provide any other proof or evidence. This is commonly known as "making shit up".
If this argument is valid, then I can argue that most Trump supporters secretly want to bomb England. I can't measure it or provide any evidence, but it's clearly true, because I said so.
There were some stories popping up that minorities were also being attacked after the election. However, so many of them turned out to be made-up/fake, It's really difficult to believe that it's happening at any elevated level (especially with almost no video proof besides what someone said).
Fake news sites are banned from FB advertising, yet they only seem to be right-leaning. Sites like the Huffingtonpost, which has some of the most click-baity and outright fake news stories I've ever seen still gets to post their sludge on FB and get paid for it.
I don't see any of the censoring happening with violent and vocal BLM supporters that call for the death of white people and police officers. In fact, Jack Dorsey is good friends with one of the leaders of the movement.
These are just a small sampling of the censoring and violence that has been happening before and after the election.
It's relevant because people get fired and companies get boycotted over a highly politicized interpretation of the results, which actually is usually do to many other factors.
This thought policing stops, however, when it involves something like the abuse and silencing of a political opponent or someone you don't support.
I didn't even mention all of the Wikileaks that showed that almost everyone in the mainstream media was conspiring against Trump, Sanders, and all political opponents of HRC.
Your main account has been posting primarily political comments, which is an abuse of this site and its community. To create another account so you can post more political comments faster is going much too far, so we've banned this account and we'll ban the main one if you continue.
> Trump supporters attacked [...] There were some stories popping up that minorities were also being attacked after the election. However, so many of them turned out to be made-up/fake, It's really difficult to believe that it's happening at any elevated level (especially with almost no video proof besides what someone said).
First, anyone attacking Trump supporters physically is clearly a pretty terrible person and no one in any position of power is supporting this.
Second, a few nutso people don't represent a systematic effort to suppress Trump voters or their freedoms as you've claimed.
Third, you must see the hypocrisy of dismissing all claims of violence against minorities while believing every story about violence against Trump supporters. Even Trump doesn't believe this. On national television he told his own supporters to stop.
> Facebook bans vocal Trump supporter
A quick search indicates that she'd been banned repeatedly in the past before her Trump support. I don't have any visibility into what she was posting to get banned repeatedly. It seems like this particular ban was an overreach, but not surprising given the history.
> Facebook bans trump supporter page
I have no visibility into this either so I can't really speak to it. Maybe Facebook was pointlessly and senselessly banning? Maybe the ban came because the group regularly pushes the limits of what Facebook allows? I have no idea.
> Reddit CEO edits Trump supporter comments
This was stupid and wildly inappropriate but hardly constituted any kind of secret censorship. His edits were not subtle. He changed mentions of his own name to mentions of the_donald mods.
> Twitter actively censored Trump campaign
So this whole article is about Twitter not approving some particular custom emoji? I don't see what the issue is on these particular emoji, but I also think this is a mountains-of-molehills situation. They ran the rest of the campaign.
> fake news sites banned from Facebook
It says something that you assume banning fake news sites is an attack against the right.
> Fake news sites are banned from FB advertising, yet they only seem to be right-leaning. Sites like the Huffingtonpost, which has some of the most click-baity and outright fake news stories I've ever seen still gets to post their sludge on FB and get paid for it.
Huffington Post posts a lot of clickbait trash. That's not the same at all as fake news, though. I'm pretty sure Facebook also allows a lot of clickbait trash from sites like Breitbart.
> I don't see any of the censoring happening with violent and vocal BLM supporters that call for the death of white people and police officers. In fact, Jack Dorsey is good friends with one of the leaders of the movement.
I don't see any BLM leaders calling for the deaths of white people or police officers. You can't point to random assholes online and claim they represent an entire movement. Or if you can, I can point to David Duke and other overtly racist Trump supporters to condemn all Trump supporters.
> I didn't even mention all of the Wikileaks that showed that almost everyone in the mainstream media was conspiring against Trump, Sanders, and all political opponents of HRC.
Sexism and racism can be measured in meaningful ways. Even where not directly measurable (though there are direct measurements as well), their effects can be shown.
OK - I'll bite. I haven't seen anyone mention medications here but personally I use propranolol.
Life. Changing.
For the first while I took it every day as prescribed for my ET. 20mg. And as I experienced the first pill (effects kick in about 40 minutes after), I had this realization "wait a minute, this is what it must feel like to be a normal person"! That light bulb in itself was incredible. Before that, I hadn't realized life could feel that good. I'd always wondered how people could do the things they could do ... and suddenly I didn't just realize but got to experience what it was like to be someone who DIDN'T have constant anxiety.
I cut back my dosage looking for minimum effective dose. Most days for me it's 0 (that's right, I don't take anymore on most days). My anxiety level has decreased because now I know -what it feels like not to be anxious-, plus, if I do feel anxious I have a solution at hand which lowers anxiety.
For a particularly stressful day I might take 5mg. (For me now a particularly stressful day means standing in front of a room of hundreds of people and presenting after 2 hours sleep.) At these infrequent low dosages, I don't experience any negative side-effects.
Worth sharing general personal details. I'm a 37 year old male in reasonably good health, I exercise vigorously twice a week and get a healthy amount of walking and biking in almost every day. I discovered propranolol by accident - it was prescribed for an essential tremor (ET), it was only after that I discovered the "off-label" anti-anxiety side-effects of beta blockers.
It's worth mentioning that I did experience negative side-effects when I was taking 20mg daily. If you can avoid taking it daily, that's going to be better for you in the long run.
* Reduced sex drive
* Life just seems more "flat" I don't laugh as much, get as giddy. My partner described me as seeming "disconnected".
* Cold limbs & numb tongue
After more than 10 years of serious and progressing anxiety disorder I discovered this plant wikipedia.org/wiki/Hypericum (Hypericum Perforatum or Millepertuis in french). In less than 3 weeks I was a different man. Ironically it has one noticeable "side effect": it has aphrodisiac properties (I didn't know it but it became quite obvious after several weeks. It's confirmed by other sources too). Also raises your Photosensitivity. One year later I still take one filmed capsule of plant extract every other evening and I don't stop taking it for more than a week or else I start to feel the unforgettable signs of anxiety creeping back.
> it was only after that I discovered the "off-label" anti-anxiety side-effects of beta blockers.
Could you possibly comment on the degree and characteristics (degree of moment, frequency, spiking under stressful situations) of your essential tremor, as well as offer any additional depth on off-label treatments?
The tremor was something I was aware of since I was a kid, showed up in bad handwriting and general "clumsiness" with fine motor movements. Nobody ever thought much of it other than that I was "clumsy".
It wasn't until I was 27 that I started to wonder whether there was something actually wrong that might be a root cause for it. At this point the tremor was bad enough that at times I had trouble holding a fork to eat. The intensity of the symptoms could vary a great deal from day to day. Granted, I was in grad school at this time and my stress levels were pretty high. I did notice that alcohol made it better, but treatment with alcohol is contraindicated...
Got a referral to neurology dept and after they watched me do some drawing, arrived at the conclusion of the problem quite quickly.
For more off-label info, might have a look at Wikipedia page on beta blockers, it's pretty thorough. Turns out quite a few musicians use it for stage fright & dexterity.
I think I had mild self-diagnosed anxiety for a large portion of my life, which really took hold in college. I went through a majority of college without speaking to anyone, evaded those that did try to reach out to me, and eventually dropped out. And my online persona wasn't much different; I still remember strangers messaging me on IRC and my heart rate jumping several BPM from just a "hi".
I think I have arrived at a point in life where I am no longer nervous around strangers, but despite that I can't help but want that feeling back. It's relieving that I can interact with the rest of the world, but I can't help but feel like I've lost an important part of me; not just the anxiety but a major part of my personality.
>> * Reduced sex drive * Life just seems more "flat" I don't laugh as much, get as giddy. My partner described me as seeming "disconnected".
Propranolol - like other drugs - changes your personality and makes an other person out of you. Replacing you through "Propranolol you" is not a real solution.
It's been pulled from that URL unfortunately. There's a few copies floating around if you google the filename unfortunately they don't come from as authoritative a URL as the .gov address you provided.
Shouldn't it remain readily available to at least the citizens of the US? If nowhere else, via the Library of Congress? An initial search didn't turn up that report (as far as I can tell, at a glance, there's a couple of funding documents authored by Feinstein at least) -- but there's a rather depressing list of other documents:
(39 pages, some interesting points are made, among them some pretty clear arguments that torture is illegal, and harsh techniques that for some reason or other are deemed to not be torture may also be illegal...)
Can you tell me more about what's missing in PWAs in terms of support and UX?
PWAs are well supported in Chromium browsers. Can't speak to Firefox support, but I hope as adoption and usage grows we'll see them add more support.