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I think a click stream isn't necessary, but Kagi is not a good basis for the argument in my opinion.

Kagi is a primarily meta search engine. The click stream exists on their sources (Bing, Google, Yandex, Marginalia, not sure if they use Brave). They do have Teclis which is their own index that they use, and their systems for reordering the page of results such as downranking heavy ad pages, and based upon user preferences (which I love).

https://seirdy.one/posts/2021/03/10/search-engines-with-own-... is a source I would recommend checking out if you are curious.


I was tempted not to respond, but honestly this comment makes me slightly angry. As someone who is young, and works on software this comment does not seem very worldly to me. Have you seen the US government, Japan, and other places struggling to still switch away from antiquated technologies? Yes, they are partially incompetent, but also there is a certain level of justifiable trust in the system working in its current form.

> Grandpa also needs to do his banking online, his taxes, needs to manage his online identity, car registration, medical things.

No, they don't. They can use paper, phone, and fax still (at least in the USA). One of my grandparent's did this until very recently (when they sadly passed away) for most things. I was at one point told by the same grandparent that the "the familiar 'red yellow green blue'" you so describe they suspected was a virus and they don't understand how it appeared on their computer. Another grandparent struggled with the concept of folders (as in file explorers), and when they first received their a phone would shut it down and then was confused on why it wouldn't receive phone calls. These people were successful and educated (they had gone to college and used their degrees in their professional life). They just don't care about technology and when Apple makes a choice for them on the default browser they are happy.


I don't know how it is in USA, but in EU, if you don't know how to use a phone as 2FA you are basically out of almost every bank. And more and more apps are adding it. TRy to login to gapps/gmail and you get a question if you want to setup a passkey or something like that.


If you physically visit the bank you don't need 2fa. Also, you don't need email or passkeys.

I have relatives who don't own or use smartphones.


Depends on the bank and what you're doing. I've had to read an SMS sent code to the bank employee in person to verify that I'm me.


My mom learned about internet banking because she had to. You'll be amazed what you can do when you don't have a choice!


I’ve seen my 60yr old mother struggle through four different healthcare framework shifts in like 7 years.

I fully understand the issue, and you’re selling your (grand)parents short. Keep your anger, you’re just wrong.


I don't see any ads outside of the app store on Android (and obviously the web browser). Microsoft puts them in the start menu which seems very different to me (I would be very angry if Android put them in the launcher). I do customise my set up a great deal so I am curious to know if your experience matches mine.


I get notifications pushed to me from Google Photos asking me to print my photos out and make photo albums.

I'll occasionally get an ad from Google books.

These can be turned off (notification channels), but I'm assuming most users don't know how to, and they are certainly on by default.


Well, I don't know what to say other than that:

a) I want to import my bookmarks

b) I can't enter any of the domains I care about as I mostly have obscure tastes

due to the above two issues I was unable to actually see how the product felt.


Thanks for the feedback. We will soon be adding the bulk import feature where you can paste all the URLs and just follow them.


Slack still has .deb files you just need to scroll down and find the small button for it. https://slack.com/intl/en-gb/downloads/linux search for "Download .DEB app". Last I checked they also have an Ubuntu only dependency that has a Debian equivalent but they don't list it so it won't install unless you modify the dependency list. I used the following script to do so, but I haven't updated in a while.

    #!/bin/sh
    if [ "$#" -eq 1 ]; then\
      tmp_dir="$(mktemp -d)"
      dpkg-deb -R "$1" "${tmp_dir}" && sed -i 's/libappindicator3-1/libayatana-appindicator3-1/g' "${tmp_dir}/DEBIAN/control" && dpkg-deb -b "${tmp_dir}" slack-fixed.deb
    else
      echo "Read it"
    fi


dpkg tells me I installed a deb called slack-desktop. It boils down to a 150 MB executable in /usr/lib/slack plus some .so and other files.

It's version 4.29.129. No idea if it updates itself.


T-Mobile has open ports on IPv6 (at least as of a few months ago). I was curious, and tried hosting a web site from my phone, and it worked flawlessly (assuming you are willing to abandon IPv4).


I was trying to learn more about the ranking algorithm that Alexandria uses, and I was a bit confused by the documentation on Github for it. Would I be correct in that it uses "Harmonic Centrality" (http://vigna.di.unimi.it/ftp/papers/AxiomsForCentrality.pdf) at least for part of the algorithm?


Hi,

Yes our documentation is probably pretty confusing. It works like this, the base score for all URLs to a specific domain is the harmonic centrality (hc). Then we have two indexes, one with URLs and one with links (we index the link text). Then we first make a search on the links, then on the URLs. We then update the score of the urls based on the links with this formula: domain_score = expm1(5 * link.m_score) + 0.1; url_score = expm1(10 * link.m_score) + 0.1;

then we add the domain and url score to url.m_score

where link.m_score is the HC of the source domain.


The main scoring function seems to be index_builder<data_record>::calculate_score_for_record() in line 296 of https://github.com/alexandria-org/alexandria/blob/main/src/i..., and it mentions support for BM25 (Spärck Jones, Walker and Robertson, 1976) and TFIDF (Spärck Jones, 1972) term weighting, pointing to the respective Wikipedia pages.


This is actually not used yet. Working on implementing that as a factor.


Google also censors, however, they censor different topics. They mostly filter content related to piracy, suicide, and misinformation sources.


Google, not being a government, may editorialize, using the same right you avail yourself of when you post your opinion, but not mine.

Google cannot censor. By definition. Neither can Yandex. Both can be censored however, although only the latter is.

The Russian government can & does censor, including, starting tomorrow, 15-year jail-sentences for „misleading statements“ about you-know-what.


Google disagrees with you. It presents this definition of the verb "censor" in a one-box:

https://www.google.com/search?q=censor%20definition

> examine (a book, movie, etc.) officially and suppress unacceptable parts of it.


Google disagrees with you. It presents this definition of the verb "officially" in a one-box:

https://www.google.com/search?q=officially

> with the authority of the government or other organization


Wouldn't you say that Google is an organization, employing people with the authority to examine and suppress content?


I suppose you don't call removal of LGBTP+ elements from the media released in Russia/China/MENA "censorship" either, just private companies exercising their rights, right?


> I suppose you don't call removal of LGBTP+ elements from the media released in Russia/China/MENA "censorship" either, just private companies exercising their rights, right?

I would call it censorship. But in those examples you listed, I would attribute it to the government and not the company. Because by removing those elements, they are not "exercising their rights to do so", they are "complying with local laws and regulations by doing so".

For a specific example: in Russia, "propaganda of homosexualty" (which includes something as trivial as explicitly acknowledging that one of the main characters is attracted to a person, or people in general, of the same sex) is against the law and is heavily punished.

So in reality, those companies only have two options: sell their product with those elements removed for that specific market or become unable to legally sell their product in that market at all.

Is it censorship? I would argue "yes", but I wouldn't say that the censorship is done by the company. If that action was required in order to be in compliance with local laws and regulations, I would call it for what it actually is - government censorship. After all, they are the ones making those laws and regulations that decide what is allowed and what needs to be removed.


Google can censor. Censorship is necessarily performed by an entity with the power to restrict information conveyance, but it is not necessary for them to be a government.

It is true that it is impossible for Google to violate the 1st Amendment (unless they were nationalized first).


And how exactly is Google prohibited from censoring? By definition?

They're a private company. They can do whatever they want within the limits of the law. And the law doesn't say anything about not publishing something. Which can be done for purposes of censorship.


>And how exactly is Google prohibited from censoring? By definition?

They're not a publisher. You have zero ability to post anything to Google, so there is nobody to be censored. They're an aggregator, and any aggregator can display whatever information they want.


Censor is censor: Please avoid editorializing the discussion


As a note: Google requires two-factor authentication to be enabled to use this feature.


Amy Klobuchar if I understand this page correctly (although there are 11 other cosponsors it says if you click the all information button on the page) https://www.congress.gov/bill/117th-congress/senate-bill/299...


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