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Don’t they have a list unsubscribe header in the emails themselves? That’s effectively a requirement for senders of their size since Feb 2024.

I see this in the headers. But there was no option in the MacOS Mail client to unsubscribe. Only the Unsubscribe link in the body of the email.

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> But there was no option in the MacOS Mail client to unsubscribe.

The functionality for mail clients to offer an "unsubscribe" button is dependent on there being a "List-Unsubscribe" header in the e-mail with a URL:

* https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/html/rfc8058

* https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/html/rfc2369#section-3.2

If the sender does not put one in then that's hardly the mail client's fault.


MacOS should have list unsub support from what I can see: https://support.apple.com/en-gb/guide/mail/mlhld3405766/mac

Dependent on the e-mail sender putting a header with a URL in the message:

* https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/html/rfc8058


It’s effectively a requirement since Feb 2024 when Google and Yahoo rolled out guidelines related to it for bulk senders.

> How can you know that it "works"? Any company scummy enough to send spam to begin with, is capable of selling their customer data to a network of scummy companies that will do the same thing.

That’s quite a stretch for a company sending marketing email with a broken unsub mechanism.


Considering how these companies are infamous for making it difficult to unsubscribe from their service in real life, I don't think it's too much of a stretch to attribute malice to how they conduct email communications.

Worth noting that “PII” is not a concept under the GDPR and that it’s definition of Personal Data is much broader than identifiable information.

I think the swamp has been expanded more than replaced.

Given the Cambridge Analytica scandal, I don’t take too much issue to FB making their APIs a little tougher to use

Speaking for myself as a bloke, yes, 100%. If I know stuff from a particular brand fits me well, I’m going to buy more from that brand.

I always find it frustrating that most stores turn over their stock so often. I find a shirt I like then go back to buy another and it's gone.

100%. For a time whoever the gap shirt designers measured up for their XL size must've exactly matched my build and height, and had extra long arms the same length as mine. So it was an easy way to get a shirt that fit right, for me.

Linking to the paper colloquially known as the Torygraph to make your point is rather amusing.

Seems like we just look at all politicians rather unfavourably right now: https://yougov.co.uk/politics/articles/53907-political-favou...


Keir Starmer is deeply unpopular and I have not encountered anyone who likes him (including a lifelong Labour member who has stood for them). Last time I said that about Starmer someone complained there was no link. Now people are complaining about the link. For the record, I have never voted for the Tories ever. A plague on both their houses... There isn't even a cigarette paper between Labour and Tory policies these days — oppress the poor and needy, censor, mismanage everything and enact NGO advice.

> Maybe human brains are just pattern matching too.

I don't think there's much of a maybe to that point given where some neuroscience research seems to be going (or at least the parts I like reading as relating to free will being illusory).


My sense is that for some time, mainstream secular philosophy has been converging on a hard determinism viewpoint, though I see the wikipedia article doesn't really take stance on its popularity, only really laying out the arguments: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Free_will#Hard_determinism

What makes you say they're not complying?

They make it mandatory to accept tracking for targeted advertising (or pay, which itself requires providing personal information). This is not compliant with the GDPR.

Palantir’s entire business model is a GDPR violation, isn’t it?

Palantir isn’t the linked website though?

I find search to be pretty good, regularly use it to find stuff posted years ago in a Slack community with ~27k members.

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