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You expect a fair investigation into this? The head of the FBI has already been making statements and the locals have been thrown out of the investigation.

Besides, I'm fairly sure that it wasn't the general public there that said that about the person that had just been shot.


That's a pretty bad take. This whole situation came into existence because CF has positioned itself as a convenient choke point. The Italian government is dumb, but 'eastdakota' is being dumber here. JD Vance and Musk are about as poisonous to international relations as it gets and bringing them up in relation with Europe making and enforcing its own laws - no matter how misguided - makes me think you should probably focus on the beam in your own eye first.

As for the rest of the threats: please do. Europe needs less, not more dependencies on USD and US companies. We'll figure it out, or not.


There are many European CDN providers. Cloudflare is nowhere near as critical to the internet as HN crowd would suggest.

They're at 82% or so of all websites using CDNs, other providers are extremely small in comparison. CF is this large because of a feedback loop with respect to being able to deal with large denial of service attacks. They are - for most serious players - the only game in town now.

For AI companies the access to the interaction is very valuable, that explains the price difference. It is data that the competition does not have access to. Of course they are storing that data for model training purposes, that's the whole reason this exists in the first place. They are subsidizing until they get their quality up to the point that the addiction is so strong you won't be able to get through your workday without it. And then surprise the per month access fee will start to rise.

Interesting, I don't get an article but just one sentence.

W/JavaScript off, yes, same for me.

Had to toggle JavaScript on for the site to get the full article.


Because all immigration is illegal now?

You get the money, at least allegedly, returned if it's legal.

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Yes I agree. I only noted what I felt about its effects on illegal immigration.

As for legal immigrants, note my other comment, I think an in-cahoots bond agency that will pop up, collect an annoying but much smaller fee, then let you put up your car or something as collateral.


The bulk of these people are going to not illegally immigrate. They don't need to be smuggled in but they are going to have to pony up a significant amount of money (more than most of them have). All this will do is put a serious dent into the legal immigration, the illegal ones will come anyway because they have a different risk/reward calculation.

And borrowing Donald Trump some money for a few weeks and expecting it back is something that I would not do.

Effectively what this will do is to stop people from those countries from traveling to the US entirely. Which is probably the real goal.

As to your edit:

People flying in from abroad won't have cars available as collateral, and most likely won't be allowed to fly before they put up the bond.


> People flying in from abroad won't have cars available as collateral, and most likely won't be allowed to fly before they put up the bond.

This seems moot if such a bond agency would be allowed to set up offices in the origin countries.


Sure, regardless of availability it is still going to be a massive increase in expenses effectively amounting to collective punishment. If 10% of your countrymen don't return after visiting the USA then the bonds providers are going to charge you at least 10% and probably substantially more.

> And borrowing Donald Trump some money for a few weeks and expecting it back is something that I would not do.

There's always the option of not coming to the US.


Oh no worries. Just speaking for myself that isn't going to happen. Things were bad enough between 2000 and 2007 when I was living on the US border, since then they've gotten so much worse that I wasn't planning on it, even if I'm not required to put up a five figure bond.

Maybe one day the USA will rejoin civilization but there are enough countries to choose from as it is. For me the main yardstick by which I measure how civilized a country is is by observing how the authorities treat people who have little or no power within the system.


The United States may well become one.

Only if you convert it at a loss and are unable to wait for USD to recover.

If you need to wait for it to recover you have lost money.

Besides, who says it will recover?


Availability is a major factor in projects like this.

Hehe, shades of The Far Side.

> At the expense of legal immigrants who bothered to do it the right way.

How come it is at their expense? The end result is a growing economy which benefits everybody.


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