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Google’s moat:

Try “@gmail” in Gemini

Google’s surface area to apply AI is larger than any other company’s. And they have arguably the best multimodal model and indisputably the best flash model?


If the “moat” is not AI technology itself but merely sufficient other lines of business to deploy it well, then that’s further evidence that venture investments in AI startups will yield very poor returns.


It's funny that a decade ago the exit strategy of many of these startups would have been to get acquired by MSFT / META / GOOG. Now, the regulators have made a lot of these acquisitions effectively impossible for antitrust reasons.

Is it better for society for promising startups to die on the open market, or get acquired by a monopoly? The third option -- taking down the established players -- appears increasingly unlikely.


> Now, the regulators have made a lot of these acquisitions effectively impossible for antitrust reasons.

Is there any evidence that this is the case ? For very big merger (like nvdia and Arm tried) sure, but I can't think of a single time regulator stop a big player from buying a start up.


I'm sure you realize you're asking me to prove a negative? I don't have the ability to prove to you that something didn't happen or why.

What I know is that a lot of deals aren't even being considered that once were, and antitrust is a huge factor in that consideration.


There's no evidence that any of those startups are better for society, in fact most of them have directly led to worse economic inequality (uber, airbnb) and exacerbating climate change (LLM insanity).

If anything the current system is beyond redemption and should probably be nationalized for the betterment of society. Government investment in technology brought us the transistor and internet, the two things that enabled any of this to exist and it was massively subsidized for the betterment of the public.

Maybe we should follow that model again.


That kind of makes it sound like AI is a feature and not a product, which supports avalys' point.


Try “@gmail” in Gemini

I think this is a problem for Google. Most users aren't going to do that unless they're told it's possible. 99% of users are working to a mental model of AI that they learned when they first encountered ChatGPT - the idea that AI is a separate app, that they can talk to and prompt to get outputs, and that's it. They're probably starting to learn that they can select models, and use different modes, but the idea of connecting to other apps isn't something they've grokked yet (and they won't until it's very obvious).

What people see as the featureset of AI is what OpenAI is delivering, not Google. Google are going to struggle to leverage their position as custodians of everyone's data if they can't get users to break out of that way of thinking. And honestly, right now, Google are delivering lots of disparate AI interfaces (Gemini, Opal, Nano Banana, etc) which isn't really teaching users that it's all just facets of the same system.


> I think this is a problem for Google. Most users aren't going to do that unless they're told it's possible.

Google is telling this in about a hundred different popups and inline hints when you use any of its products


I've use the Gemini app on my phone a fair bit recently and I've not seen it. That said, I don't think I've seen any popups either. Maybe I've blocked them...


Users are trained to close those without reading.


Gemini can't even create a Google Doc if you prompt it to.


Also, Google doesn't have to finance Gemini using venture capital or debt, it can use its own money.


DeepMind also solved the protein folding problem, so they have that going for them.


Did it really? That is actually huge if so.


I tried it, but nothing happened. It said that it sent an email but didn't. What is supposed to happen?


with enough samples


Identity precedes habit.

I accepted that mastering algorithms was something I needed to do if I wanted to break into my desired income bracket.

So I leaned into the premise that I was a Leetcode grinder. And I spent 6 months during COVID doing only that.

I went from never having solved a medium on my own to being able to solve almost any medium in < 5 minutes (sometimes < 2 minutes).

I landed a job in HFT fairly quickly once I started interviewing.


Or the stock price was suppressed pending antitrust decision?


That's exactly what the parent was saying. The market expected and priced in an antitrust decision but the one we got was very light, hence the stock going up sharply.

In the current era of already light antitrust actions, coming in even lighter than expectations is a sign that the regulators are not doing their jobs.


dude, computers are just rocks that we coerced into adding 1’s and 0’s. when are people finally going to wake up?


This is what Google currently does for access to their top models.

AI Studio (web UI, free, will train on your data) vs API (won’t train on your data).


If you use the API for free the data is used for training.


Can't train on my data if all my data is produced by them.


Same here. I started an in-office job recently as the company’s highest ranking engineer and my productivity has plummeted vs WFH.

I found myself having to allocate mental bandwidth to my environment to allow for the possibility of being interrupted by others, so I ended up both less productive and more tired.


What you see as an interruption is somebody else clearing their path. It could be that your personal productivity drop is resulting in a productivity gain for the group.


Are you in an open office? I found that to be extremely fatiguing relative to a private office, a shared office, or even a cubicle.



He's a bit different, more like superhero and supervillain at the same time. The Haber process has probably saved billions.


To the downvoters: Hogan is a notorious liar and definitely lied about the grill story.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AukVofRrSP8

If you have some time to kill, this is a fun video to watch. Otherwise, you can just google his long list of lies.



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