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Makes me wonder how many of these companies are actually offered the "standard deal" of 120k for 7%. Would love for YC to release some stats on this.


I'd be shocked if there are more than one or two (if any) that aren't offered the standard deal


Maybe, but I'd sort of have expected the "nonstandard" deals to become more common as they've gotten more into non-software startups. How far could you really go with $120k if you're building autonomous passenger aircraft?


It's still helpful for allowing founders to support themselves and focus full time for a significant period, which may be what it takes create a prototype or IP that's good enough to attract more investment.


But what's your budget though?


"Its not poverty changes brain, its your parents mindset change your brain."

Which is not at all influenced by poverty, right?


What if it's the other way around? What if the smart and passionate folks at Facebook really do just want to get the internet to the rest of the world, and this is the way they can justify doing so?

They are a public company, after all. They have to fulfill their fiduciary responsibilities to shareholders, or at least appear to do so...


The fact that going public always tends to make a company's contributions to society less altruistic and turn the ethos of the company into "moar profitz foar de shaerhoaldurs" raises some fairly damning questions about our capital system and its tendency towards greed and stagnation.


Is this really the fault of the financial system? In some respects I believe 'economics' is a verb, so the fault -if there is any- lies with the agents enacting the verb, that is to say: people. Humans, groups of them even, certainly have a tendency to produce and accumulate all sorts of things being their survival needs and go on to trade them. This raises all sorts of concerns and has cause many a lot of stress.

Blaming 'capital' seems fairly erroneous. Deirdre Mccloskey, in her book 'Bourgeois Dignity: Why Economics Can't Explain the Modern World' has a very convincing go at turning the idea into a fallacy. The accumulation and use of capital isn't, in and of itself, a bad thing. How much good has come from our desire to pool resources.

Also, it seems to me we tend to forget what the word 'corporation' means, literally "any group of persons united or regarded as united in one body". Certainly the other more obvious definition of the word includes that thing about "having a continuous existence independent of the existences of its members", though me must remember that the words "an association of individuals, created by law or under authority of law" come immediately prior. If people lose faith in a "company" it will rapidly cease to exist, or at the very lease must drastically change in order to continue.

And yes, I acknowledge we are, probably to a greater extend than we typically realise, products of our environment, products of the societal structures, and built environs, we find ourselves in, and that this makes it very messy to try to discern cause and effect, and to apportion blame. I guess I'm just sceptical of apportioning blame, I don't believe it's particularly helpful.

Maybe this comment is a bit incoherent. I often find myself writing comments then not posting them because I can't seem to make a point without contradicting, or undermining, my own writing.

Maybe my point is that things probably aren't as simple, as clear cut, as we think. Maybe that's why some people study the liberal arts and sciences and go on to write entire volumes on these sorts of topics.


I don't think anyone's saying that capitalism is directly at fault. Theoretically, a fully free market (assuming that companies always have consumer and shareholder interests at heart) should be optimal, encouraging healthy competition, choice for the consumer, and the economic freedom to found your own startup. Unfortunately, the realities of the free market encourage economic foundationalism and excessive bureaucracy. Despite the free market's relative strengths when looked at from purely a business and consumer perspective, the fastest way to earn revenue and (eventually) break even is to have a company playbook which encourages business decisions that are completely antithetical to what you'd expect from a free market company. After the inevitable IPO, they slowly tend towards maximizing shareholder profit in place of ensuring consumer satisfaction (there are exceptions to this rule-- Apple and Tesla are good examples), and the results are more acquisitions, more profiteering, more tax avoidance, and more focus on the bottom line than putting out a good product. Particularly harmful is how an unregulated free market encourages trusts and oligarchies -- the latter of which we still can't solve today with legislation alone.

For every airbnb or Facebook there are a thousand of acquired startups who kept thinking short-term and forgot entirely about long-term. Which is a shame, because I've no doubt that many put out a quality product -- and I've also no doubt that the company which acquired them may very well have killed said company's specific product two seconds after filling out all of the paperwork. See Google's numerous acquisitions for proof of this.


They have to fulfill their fiduciary responsibilities to shareholders

And those shareholders get priority over EVERYONE else in the chain. What the investors want, the investors get.


In the case of Facebook, no they do not.

First, that's a myth. There is no legal fiduciary responsibility to shareholders beyond the basics required by the SEC (which does not cover anything to do with maximizing profits et al).

Second, Zuckerberg controls Facebook. He has less realistic responsibility to the shareholders than almost any other CEO of a big public corporation in US history. The dual class share structure ensures he is able to ignore shareholder concerns and pressure that most other CEOs simply cannot.


> They have to fulfill their fiduciary responsibilities to shareholders, or at least appear to do so...

Actually they could completely ignore their shareholders from this point forward and absolutely nothing would happen to Facebook the company.

They have their IPO money in their pockets and the daily ebb-and-flow of Facebook share-trading provides no benefit to them other than reputation-enhancement should they wish to go to the markets again in the future.


Related: If you haven't seen John Oliver's segment on civil asset forfeiture, you should really check it out - https://youtu.be/3kEpZWGgJks


That was great. I'm going to have to start watching LWT regularly.


I feel like he missed a big opportunity here to say, "iQuit". Just sayin'.


I assume that was the intended reading.


Mmm. "Clever".


A fun read, but I'm not convinced the reason for all the orange and blue is rooted in trendiness, as the article makes it seem. It suggests that this color combination "might not be naturalistic", but in my experience with light, color, and art, that statement couldn't be further from the truth.

Look around, in light, orange and blue hues dominante our world. Sunlight, moonlight, street lights, sky, incandescents, the glow of lcds screens, etc - blue and orange everywhere. If you take notice, you will realize this is true.

As the article points out, in art, when wanting to create vibrancy and visual interest, one of the best tools in our arsenal is the use of complementary colors.

No other compliments are even close to occurring as frequently in the lighting of our natural world. This, I believe, is the true reason for its abundant use in cinema.

Of all the compliments, orange and blue is just the most natural.


I first tried to view this article on my mobile device and saw this: https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/117695213/static/larseid...

To me, this is already revealing. A critique of a web framework and this is the first impression I get? Not off to a good start. There’s a reason people find it hard to trust a fat nutritionist. I see parallels here.

Lately there has been a lot of negative feedback about AngularJS and I have been interested in the critiques of its shortcomings. For this reason, I gave him the benefit of the doubt, pulled up the article on my computer, and dug in.

His initial complaint about prototypically inherited scope properties (Bad Idea #1) being confusing and "literally impossible" to predict was perplexing to me. He states that he understands a child scope will inherit from its parent scope, yet doesn't explicitly instantiate any object on the parent controller in his example of the so-called problem ( http://jsfiddle.net/1op3L9yo/ ). A child of a parent with no properties inherits nothing from its parent -- this seems obvious. If properties are actually defined on the parent the child will inherit them. Is this not the expected behavior?

The "fix" for his "impossible" scenario, is to make sure you explicitly define the property on the parent.

In his specific example, that would look like this:

$scope.obj = { prop: '' };

( http://jsfiddle.net/355fuxk5/ )

He complains: "Whether or not a new scope is introduced by a directive is up to its implementer. And if a new scope is introduced, it is up to its implementer to decide if it inherits from its parent scope or not."

How is this a bad idea? I like choices in life, don't you?

He talks about dynamic scoping being a terrible thing. I think the alternative, dictating One True Way of doing things, removes flexibility. This would be far worse than the current status quo of leaving it up to the developer. He advocates for removing this choice altogether, but is there NEVER a good use case for this "dynamic scoping"?

He also complains about the digest loop -- how two-way bindings constantly check for changes and impact performance as your number of bindings grow. There is truth to this, but it is easy to write your own directives that only update UI elements when a change occurs. This can easily be achieved in a variety of different ways. (The most universally familiar of which being a simple callback paradigm.)

Building a quality application with angular requires you to think, but I would argue that designing a performant application with ANY framework demands the same thing. You might initially think you get some things for free, but everything has its costs. If you want things to happen automagically, without needing to be explicit about the needs of your specific use case, that'll cost you. Is this not a near universal truth in programming? People fault the framework when, instead, they should be faulting themselves: their own laziness or lack of clarity.

He talks about having a page listing where their UI already had 2000 bindings and how clicking a "load more" button added another 1000 bindings, killing performance. I can't understand why you would possibly have that many bindings... for ANYTHING, unless you're Doing It Wrong. Why would you need any two-way bindings for explicitly appended information? When the user clicks "load more", we know something needs to change. If performance is a concern, why would you ever allow that listing to be automatically updated by checking for changes on every digest cycle? Instead, you can either explicitly update the element when the action is called (no two-way bindings), or use a SINGLE binding for the entire list. 1000 bindings? What could possibly be the justification for that?

Bindings can be drastically reduced and performance dramatically improved if you work to optimize your code and move from prototyping with built in ng-* components, to crafting components explicitly for your needs. I truly believe the standard ng-* components are meant more for prototyping and to serve as an example for how you can accomplish similar things as your write your own application specific code. Not being clear about this is perhaps one of angular's biggest failings.

Does it really surprise any programmer or developer that in order to achieve high performance in your application, you must architect explicitly for your use case?

To put it another way, in order to make a great application, you need to understand what is happening under the hood. If you're using components that you don't fully understand, that end up running a bunch of unnecessary operations, is that the framework's fault, or your own?

Is it really the role of the framework to do your development for you? You can either have things happen automagically, or have things be performant, but not both. This is reasonable and beyond logical, I think.

He critiques the language used in the documentation to explain controllers and hangs his hat on what he feels is the misuse of the word "constructor". His contention is that this is incorrect because the controller functions are being applied to an existing scope, not being instantiated in the traditional sense. Yet, and he even admits this, he is critiquing documentation that is over a year old. The current docs do a better job of clarifying what's actually happening. How is this a fair critique of a framework? Cherry picking year old documentation... this just seems silly, and as someone else said, disingenuous. Nothing is perfect, especially out of the gate, especially in open source -- I think we all know that.

His further complaints in this section employ the same strategy -- he takes segments from the documentation out of context and explains why they don't make sense. He even says that their use of the term "syntactic sugar" to describe the many options for creating components (services, factories, providers) is incorrect because, in his mind, "syntactic sugar" would imply a direct syntax modification to JavaScript or implementation of a custom language parser. Really?

Let's see what Wikipedia has to say on the subject:

"In computer science, syntactic sugar is syntax within a programming language that is designed to make things easier to read or to express. It makes the language "sweeter" for human use: things can be expressed more clearly, more concisely, or in an alternative style that some may prefer." (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Syntactic_sugar)

Soooo, for example, angular's service and factory being abstractions over the provider implementation? When you don't need the full power of a provider using these higher level functions makes it more concise, easier to use, and "sweeter"... sounds like syntactic sugar to me, unless we're just being pedantic for the sake of it.

He says, "Angular seems to strive to make things as complicated as possible." I would argue that this simply isn't true, is shortsighted, and borderline insulting to the intelligence and efforts of angular's core team. I believe AngularJS is opinionated but it strives to make things as flexible as possible and as a result some inherent complexity exists.

In my (almost) 2 years of working with the framework, this is what I’ve found: AngularJS is extremely flexible. Its built in components are great for quick prototyping and its underlying structure provides an excellent FRAMEWORK for creating more purpose built, application specific, code. In my experience, angular is there when you want it to be and quickly gets out of your way when you don't need it. This is a robust framework. It is built for rapid prototyping and creating complex, performant applications (when properly executed). It is not baby's first framework.

How many times have we heard the old adage that, with most things in life, you get out what you put in. This is doubly true for angular (and development as a whole, I would speculate). If you're willing to put in the work, AngularJS can be a phenomenal tool in your arsenal. It can also be great for getting a prototype together, but one must understand, that a prototype is just that. Using ng-* components everywhere and expecting everything to work out optimally is just not going to happen. Did you REALLY think it would?

To pull a quote from his last paragraph:

"... many people like to recommend projects they haven’t used in any depth, because the idea of knowing what the next big thing is feels good. The result is that people choose frameworks largely based on advice from people who don’t know what they’re talking about."

The irony here is palpable. Change "recommend" to "criticize" and "knowing" to "condemning" and I almost needn't say more (he says, 8000 words later).


I've also been using angular for about the same amount of time, and I think a lot of what he's saying is valid. On more than one occasion, a co-worker would come asking for help with a bug and to explain why it was happening was far more complicated than it really should be.

Of course putting enough time on a framework can pay off once you've mastered the tool and know all the caveats. The problem is that if you weigh the pros vs the cons objectively, the cons are not something you can scoff at. Angular has a lot of complexity that is difficult to reason about, and there are a lot of traps along the way to mastery (speaking from experience seeing co-workers shoot their own feet).

For me, the biggest problem is that it throws some seriously useless errors (e.g. race-condition infdig on a route redirect). In a sane framework, errors are meant to direct you to the cause, not simply to announce that something somewhere is written in a way that the framework doesn't like because of complex reason foo. This can be a serious showstopper if you are more than a single developer working on the codebase and even more so if the rest of the team touching the codebase isn't made of Angular superstars (which is often the case).


Sounds like it's quite the artful balance between procedurally generated and manually curated content.

A bit (but just a little) more information can be found here: http://www.thesixthaxis.com/2014/06/25/crafting-the-endless-...


I disagree, I think that it's the procedural generation that needs to be done artfully! Unfortunately the tools and experience to be creative in this medium are a few years out :)



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