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I don't see how Zig will ever contend with Odin, Jai, C3 and others when they drive away half of the prospective users with activism.


I recommend you to watch Andrew Kelly interview[0], while I'm not the target audience of Zig, I don't see him driving away any user. Also Jai as for now is a non existing language, just a selected few has access to it, but Jai approach is a kitchen sink, from what I saw it is all over the place in terms of features, now Zig vision feels cohesive.

[0] https://youtu.be/iqddnwKF8HQ


Thanks for sharing that link. That guy seems so nice, quite inspiring.


Activism as in their move away from GitHub? Andrew K recently said in the JetBrains interview that because of moving away, their CI/CD now actually works.


What activism is that?


I think they banned AI and moved from GitHub to Codeberg. They don't seem too controversial to me, and IMO they've already comprehensively trounced Odin, Jai and C3.


trying to make good software :^)


truly a tragedy! how dare you make good software!?!


I've never seen any activism from the Zig crowd (I assume you need Woke and rubbing "pride" or "Ukraine" into everything). Did I miss something?


> I assume you need Woke and rubbing "pride" or "Ukraine" into everything

wow, what a self report


Jai isn't even available publicly. The license isn't decided. Jonathan Blow doesn't want to deal with open source.

Comparing Jai and Zig on that behalf is crazy.

Edit: If that is about political activism it's even more crazy. A dude that rambles about woke stuff is political as well. Maybe just aligns with yours.


Excuse me, but I think zig grows ever better from driving away users who are driven away by flashy headlines and whatever is the opposite of this “activism” you suggest.


>when they drive away half of the prospective users with activism.

Like what? Plenty of people here follows Zig here and haven't seen any of it. And by any measure it is the least activism per language usage.


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I'm not sure that if this is an obvious question that has been gone through already, but have any of the death threats relating to Rust stuff actually been "verified" or is it just an opinion that has been repeated enough times until it has been accepted as truth?

Just the open amount of discontent towards the language and the community, creates the perfect storm for a malicious individual to pose being a Rust developer that sends death threats for doing things that are not aligned with the values of the language/community.



What are good alternatives?


How anyone could trust OpenSnitch is beyond me.


Please elaborate


The EU are the ones freezing people's bank accounts and cancelling everyone they don't like, sanctioning people countries for not being woke enough, etc. I'd much rather use US based services or self-hosting.


I have a hard time taking extremists seriously, regardless what side they're on.


I can live with "this::that", but what drives me bonkers is "this :: that", which is what Odin does. Other than that, Odin is an incredible language.


that's a constant assignment, completely different. And you're not going to see it 100s of times in a project.


This is a dream come true. Please do it, for the love of mankind.


Thanks sooo much! I would definitely do it!


It's unbelievable that Trump has managed to facilitate this before he even steps into office. It is a brutal display of power, but that is sometimes needed, just like when a parent needs to intervene in a conflict between children.


Zig is alright, but Odin is amazing.


Why?


The Zig-community is annoyingly political, whereas the Odin community and -creator focuses on technology.


There's no community in the world that isn't political. Perhaps the issue is actually just that you disagree with the politics that are popular there?


No, the "C community" and creators aren't making a political stance on things at all. Lua doesn't either. The Zig creator is very outspoken on political matters.


Not making a political stance is implicitly embracing the status quo. That’s usually fine because most hot political issues are far away from programming language design and implementation. Others feel differently, that political issues which affect community members (or people who could become community members) are important to speak out on. Regardless, every community takes political stances, some are just more upfront about it


How is the Zig community political? I use the language but I’m not involved with the community at all.


Just follow Andrew Kelley on whatever platform he hasn't ragequit from these days.


Andrew Kelley is just one guy and he’s allowed to express his own political opinions online, just as you are. What evidence is there that the community as a whole is “annoyingly political”?


Please give us some examples


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