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Lol why is it always such a predictable list of gripes

So I am not wrong but you don't like it?

Do you choose your software exclusively based on virtue signalling about which editor they used to write it in?

I’d infinitely prefer a relevant wikipedia article to an AI “Answer” that is almost always wrong.

Google lens image search used to be amazing, I tried a repeat of a search I did before of a piece of art, it showed the same piece but confidently listed the artist and year wrong by about 300 years.

I’ve had relatives do “research” about things I mentioned I needed to do, and they’ve just sent screenshots of the incorrect AI answer.

It’s made google almost entirely useless, there is zero incentive for them to try to make search better (vs incentive to make it worse) and even if they did want to make it better the sheer volumes of slop have made that even harder.

We’ve completely sabotaged out ability to collate information at scale as a civilization, for the benefit of a few companies that were already the largest in the world to begin with. And it turns out, very few people notice or even care about this.


> used to be

I mean Andrew is an extreme case. If he weren’t as out-of-favour I imagine nothing would have happened, and this has been _entirely_ forced by external information.

I assume that otherwise they would have less of an issue. It’s not like he married someone slight off-white, that would be real grounds for excommunication.


> If he weren’t as out-of-favour I imagine nothing would have happened

But the trickling of Epstein news is why he's out-of-favor, isn't it?


> And I see it doing more planning and making fewer mistakes than before

Anecdotally, maybe this is the reason? It does seem to spend a lot more time “thinking” before giving what feels like equivalent results, most of the time.

Probably eats into the gambling-style adrenaline cycles.


> How many degrees of temperature increase is worth one .. whatever the unit of AI gain-of-function is?

Billionaire. And they are definitely willing to make the trade.


But “PhD level” reasoning a year ago.

> That rule is not optional, and it was not followed here.

It’s not optional, but wasn’t followed, with zero repercussions.

Sounds optional.


Reading between the lines, this is corporate-speak for "this is a terminable offense for the employees involved." It's a holiday weekend in the US so they may need to wait for office staff to return to begin the process.

They might as well wait till business hours to sort things out before publishing a statement. Nobody needs to see such hollow corpo speak on a Sunday.

No, admitting fault as soon as possible makes a big difference. It's essential to restoring credibility.

If they had waited until Monday the thread would be filled with comments criticizing them for waiting that long.


https://arstechnica.com/civis/threads/um-what-happened-to-th...

> we probably won't have something to report back until next week.

The forum thread is locked.


Yeah, but the problem is that by not making it clear that additional actions may be coming, they're barely restoring credibility at all, because the current course of action (pulling the article and saying sorry) is like the bare minimal required to avoid being outright liars - a far cry from being credible journalists. All they've done is leave piles of readers (including Ars subscribers) going "wtf".

If they felt the need to post something in a hurry on the weekend, then the message should acknowledge that, and acknowledge that "investigation continues" or something like that


You don't announce that you're firing people or putting them on a PIP or something. Not only is it gauche but it makes it seem like you're not taking any accountability and putting it all in the employees involved. I assume their AI policy is fine and that the issue was it wasn't implemented/enforced, and I'm not sure what they can do about that other than discipline the people involved and reiterate the policy to everyone else.

What would you have liked to see them announce?


They just needed to expand "At this time, this appears to be an isolated incident." into "We are still investigating, however at this time, this appears to be an isolated incident". No additional details required.

And yes, it looks like Ars is still investigating (bluesky post by one of the authors of the retracted article) https://bsky.app/profile/kyleor.land/post/3mewdlloe7s2j


> It's a holiday weekend in the US so they may need to wait for office staff to return to begin the process.

That's not how it works. It's standard op nowadays to lock out terminated employees before they even walk in the door.

Sometimes they just snail mail the employee's personal possessions from their desk.

Moreover, Ars Technica publishes articles every day. Aside from this editor's note, they published one article today and three articles yesterday. So "holiday weekend" is practically irrelevant in this case.


> That's not how it works.

Some places.

> It's standard op nowadays to lock out terminated employees before they even walk in the door.

Some places.

You're speaking very authoritatively about what's "standard", in a way that strongly implies you think this is either the way absolutely everyone does it, or the way it should be done.

It's standard op nowadays to acknowledge that your experiences are not universal, and that different organizations operate differently.


> You're speaking very authoritatively about what's "standard", in a way that strongly implies you think this is either the way absolutely everyone does it, or the way it should be done.

Neither. I just meant it's common.

The comment I replied to said, "they may need to wait for office staff to return to begin the process."

I think the commonality of the practice shows that Ars Technica doesn't need to wait for office staff to return to begin the process, if office staff is even gone in the first place (again, Ars Technica appears to be open for business today). There's certainly no legal reason why they'd need to wait to fire people.

Does Ars Technica have a "policy" to only fire people on weekdays? I doubt it. Imagine reading that in the employee handbook.

Besides, President's Day is not a holiday that businesses necessarily close for. Indeed, many retailers are open and have specific President's Day sales.


> (again, Ars Technica appears to be open for business today). There's certainly no legal reason why they'd need to wait to fire people.

They normally aren't, they probably write the stories on the weekdays and prepare them to automatically publish over the weekend, with only a skeletal staff to moderate and repair the website. Legal, HR, and other office staff probably only work weekdays, or are contracted out to external firms.

Their CEO posted a quick note on their forums the other day about this which implied they don't normally work on holidays and it would take until Tuesday for a response.


> Their CEO posted a quick note on their forums the other day about this which implied they don't normally work on holidays and it would take until Tuesday for a response.

Judging from today's editors note, if things need to happen more quickly, then they do.


That's true of every executive position, but not necessarily for HR or legal. Especially if they use an external firm.

You're constructing quite a lot of hypotheticals to justify not waiting 3 more days to condemn Ars Technica for not firing this guy.

Can we not just have a little patience anymore?


You're putting a lot of words in my mouth. I didn't call for anyone to be fired.

throw3e98 is the one who suggested that Ars Technica was going to fire people, but not for a few days. I merely suggested that if anyone was getting fired, they would likely already be fired.

At this point, however, I don't think anyone is getting fired, not this weekend and not Tuesday either: https://bsky.app/profile/benjedwards.com/post/3mewgow6ch22p

I don't condemn Ars Technica for not firing the guy, but I do condemn Ars Technica for the terse hand-wave of an editor's note with no explanation, when on the same day we get a fuller story only from someone's personal social media account.


OTOH I find it pretty funny that the instant they manage to make a model that breaks general containment of popularity and usefulness (4.5), the toxicity of the business model kicks in and they instantly enshittify.

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