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”AI's global water footprint could reach 4.2–6.6 billion cubic meters by 2027”

This is about as much as the annual consumption of the California almond farms.

(An acre-foot is approximately 1200 cubic meters.)

https://www.c-win.org/cwin-water-blog/2022/7/11/california-a...


This comparison sounds to me like it is downplaying the significance of the numbers. California's almond-growing is another gross environmental crime, which is regularly controversial in California.


That's because the Californian almond industry is exclusively located in California, unlike the global data centre industry.


Since California produces about 80% of the world's almonds, it also means that the global water footprint for almonds is about the same as the global water footprint for AI.

More directly, a global analysis does not mean the AI data centers are evenly distributed around the world. From the article:

"A Bloomberg analysis suggests about two-thirds of data centers built or planned since 2022 are water-stressed regions, concentrated in Australia, Chile, Mexico, Spain, Saudi-Arabia, and the US Southwest (Nicoletti et al., 2025). Within the United States, Texas hosts over 400 data centers projected to consume nearly 3% of statewide water supply by 2030 (Martinez, 2025), in a state grappling with recurring drought conditions and aquifer depletion."

"Corporate sustainability reports confirm this concentration: approximately 42% of Microsoft's water consumption occurs in water-stress regions, and 15% of Google's water use is concentrated in high water-scarcity areas (Barratt et al., 2025)."

Comparing water-stressed regions in California for almond production to water-stressed regions used for data centers does seem relevant.


Two completely unrelated things can indeed share some similarities at a very superficial level.


Yes. And two seemingly unrelated things can share deeper similarities.


The Californian almond industry has had over 100 years to develop. The AI data centre industry has had 4.


This is not even an argument. 100 years? So you're admitting that almonds in California are clearly a sustainable industry that can exist in the long term.


And imagine, it's already at the water usage of an industry that had a 100 years to develop. Great strides!


I'd kinda rather have almonds than data centers, If I could choose.


Life without batternberg cake is something too horrible to contemplate. Unlike AI, the squares are beautifully and reliably deterministic in their placement and the marzipan surrounding it is truly enhancing to society.


If almonds are problematic then it makes no sense to worsen the problem by adding "AI" data centers


I agree with your link that the unsustainable use of water for almond farms causes problems, and agree that these problems are quite similar to that of water use for AI, so both should have high scrutiny. Quoting your link:

> Almonds use roughly the same amount of water as total indoor water use in California. This is unsustainable.

> There are simply too many almonds being planted in areas with unsustainable water supplies (minimal to no groundwater, uncertain or no surface water). ...

> We’re not opposed to growing almonds; we’re opposed to growing them unsustainably and taking water away from the environment and our cities. Almonds are a luxury and export crop; approximately 70% of the state’s crop is shipped abroad for the express benefit of a handful of industrial-scale growers and hedge funds.

> Water is a public trust resource, and Californians must regain control of it as they face a future certain to be beleaguered by drought, low reservoirs and over-drafted aquifers. We can't continue to subsidize agribusiness plutocrats with the water ratepayers need for basic survival.

Water for AI also uses unsustainable water supplies, directs water away from the environment and our cities, and is subsidized for big tech plutocrats paid for by water ratepayers. It also sure seems to me that most AI use falls in the "luxury" category.


The CA almond industry is a great example of perverse market incentives in need of regulation, which makes it a great analogy in this case.

https://www.nytimes.com/2015/06/07/business/energy-environme...


I'd be willing to bet almonds bring more joy to more people in a single year than AI data centres ever will.


You must never meet vibe coders then


let's go to Rob from the valley, a vibe coder with an almond allergy for his take on the subject!


Rob will solve his almond allergy given enough tokens!


That seems closer to addiction symptoms than joy.



Why is that? Vinyl has some unique characteristics. But as far as I’m aware, blu-ray is just a storage format for bits, so other than the box art, what is compelling about a blu-ray pressing?


The movie itself is generally encoded at a higher bitrate than what you can find in streaming or torrents.

The media includes bonus features that generally aren't available in streaming or torrents.

The media will not suddenly stop existing if some server breaks down, some company goes under or some contract expires.

The movie will not suddenly get "patched" with an AI-upscale or censored scene one day while watching it.

You can lend the media to someone else to watch without having to ask for permission to anyone else.


Technically blueray has a 'update mechanism' that newer films will require players to update to.

AVGN complained about it here: https://youtu.be/tetXKdi9U3c?t=400


"To play this Blueray, you must renew your encryption key"

Is that really a thing?



Also, you can import blu-rays from other countries when streaming releases have geo restrictions.


Like DVD before it, Blu-ray includes region locking as a feature (but apparently ~70% of disks don't bother with it, notably Paramount and Universal don't). Non-locked disks are marked as ABC (A is the Americas and Asia, B is Europe/Africa/Aus/NZ, C is Russia/India/China).


Libredrive says: "that's cute"


Ever compare a Blu-ray to the same content over streaming? It's not even close. Unlike vinyl records, Blu-ray is vastly superior in quality to alternatives.

In case you're asking "why", it's because your "4K" stream is compressed to hell and back. Your home internet connection doesn't even have the bandwidth to stream the quality of a BR.


A UHD Bluray tops out at about 150Mbps, most home internet is capable of that. It would just cost too much for the streaming services to support it.


But also the reality is that most people have their devices connected through a shitty wi-fi connection and may be effectively limited to 50 or even less mbps, specially if you consider the unpredictability that comes with it.


True. Plus the big streaming services' business model now is low quality content produced in house or with cheap royalties, that people put on in the background. They might have a prestige show or two, but that's just a hook to get you to subscribe, they'd much prefer you watch the cheap stuff.


> Your home internet connection doesn't even have the bandwidth to stream the quality of a BR.

This has not been true for most people for a while now. Even the high end of 4K blue rays tops out around 100 Mbps, which is achievable on pretty much any broadband connection.


> which is achievable on pretty much any broadband connection

It's only achievable in a real sense if there are video providers out there offering the content at that bitrate. The absolute best you can hope for in optimal conditions is from Apple TV+ at between 30-40 Mbps which is equivalent to what you get with a non-4k blu-ray.


For sure, my only contention is that the bandwidth is there, which makes the paltry bitrates Netflix et al will provide you even more frustrating...


Yeah, you’re right. Despite Grandpa over here having a 1Gb fiber connection, my head was apparently stuck in 2005 thinking 50 Mbps downstream internet is some kind of high-faluten’ wizardry.


Netflix isn't serving 100Mbps though.


Are any streaming services actually serving that bitrate?


Sony's is.


Many of vinyl's unique characteristics are severe drawbacks compared to digital disks. I see a lot of kids collecting CDs instead—cheaper, lighter, easier to maintain, you can find cars that play them pretty easily, you can rip them losslessly, more hardware to play them, etc. Plus you can a lot of the same benefits of album art, lyrics, etc.

Blu-Rays also have special features, which most streaming platforms don't offer (I think largely except for iTunes).


Having it, physically. It’s harder for companies to play silly games like put the media into a vault, take it off their streaming platforms for tax reasons, etc… I started collected physical blu rays when HBO randomly took a million things off its platform so that it could do accounting tricks.

I want to support artists who make content I like, but I also want control over my media library. Physical media is the best way to do this.


Following your lead, I haven’t researched Örebro’s proposed policies. But I would find it surprising if “large scale remigration” really was scoped to an everyman’s definition of “few years”. I would expect that their targets for “large scale” exceed three or four years’ worth of immigration.


Even if you scope it out to "everyone that's not a citizen or has the equivalent of a green card," is that so evil? If a country accepts immigrants they should be able to send them back at will unless they become citizens. That shouldn't be controversial. You can argue if it's a good or bad policy, of course, but it's not ethically wrong to do so. Yes, they'll be in more danger and have worse lives when they go back to wherever they came from, but again - a country should exist to serve its citizens, not the entire world. It's not sustainable.


Re-migration almost always targets children _born_ in the country.

In this thread a speaker of the party is quoted as talking about people who had Swedish passports i.e. citizens.

Would you not see it as ethically bad to split the citizens into "true" citizens who can't have their citizenship stripped and second tier citizens who can?

And if the country only serves the former...


> Would you not see it as ethically bad to split the citizens into "true" citizens who can't have their citizenship stripped and second tier citizens who can?

Potentially. I'm not familiar enough with their system to have an opinion. In the US system, I feel like actual citizenship is the hard line. With everything else you're here at our convenience, though I'd say if we were to kick out greencard holders en masse (for some reason) it should just be that they don't get renewed, not immediately kicked out.


Yes, it is very much accepted and pretty uncontroversial that it is unethical to send someone away who’s made a new home in some country. Tearing them out of the local community and kicking them out against their will is immoral.


For me, it's quite straightforward. If an app makes an unsolicited spammy push, it's notifications-off. No exceptions.


Snapchat has to be the all time worst offender to me about abusive level of notifications. Luckily, you can turn them off, but holy cow batman, that's a lot of notification options to deal with.


For me the worst is NextDoor. I don’t have the app installed, but they also have email notifications. There are seemingly 100 options and I turned them all off when I first made the account. Periodically they add new ones and auto-enable them for everyone. There is not universal way to shut them off, short of blocking them all together or deleting my account. The account was such a pain to setup that I’m hesitant to delete it, for the 1 time every couple years where it’s useful.


Even worse with ND e-mails are how they've absolutely perfected the cut-off character limit for what's being posted in your area. So my inbox is just perma-barraged with click-bait-y "This place on Smith Street has the best...", "Health officials are investigating an outbreak of...", etc.


That is why I just filter ND emails to spam. Those patterns just reaffirm I don’t want the kind of content they offer.


I flagged them as spam the other day.


Yep, I straight up deleted my Nextdoor. Nextdoor itself is spammy and ad ridden. And most of the content in the community is also just spam anyway.

My neighborhood has a WhatsApp. I engage with it if I feel like it. Works great


Remember when Android used to let notification senders hijack turning your screen on, Snapchat used that one a lot.


That's "growth hacking" for you


Yes. I’d rather live with the temporary inconvenience of needing to open the Uber app to check the status of my ride once a month than wade through notification spam on an intermittent basis forever.


Agreed, there’s a level of trust and as soon as the app breaks that trust with spam, notifications get turned off for that app.


I just refuse to grant permission as my default. If I ever feel like I’m missing out, I can turn it on later. Usually I don’t and if I do I quickly regret it.


Has been like this on my phone for a while. It's crazy when you see someone who hasn't blocked everything and their phone dings multiple times a minute.


What sorts of processing times are you seeing for I-130 green card applications? I filed for my wife in late July, and we've still not received anything but a receipt notice.


I-130 processing has always been all over the place and can be very slow sometimes, taking 9 or even 12 months.


Apps (such as Signal) that care about end-to-end encryption do their own key management. So, Apple / Google servers only ever see ciphertext, and don't have access to the key material that's used for the encryption.


Afaik, e2e messengers don't include ciphertext with push notifications. It's an empty push to wake the client. Then the client contacts the origin to fetch the ciphertext.


This is how it used to work; notifications can be encrypted now and Signal uses an extension to decrypt them.


A Signal developer 12 days ago said Our FCM and APN notifications are empty and just tell the app to wake up, fetch encrypted messages, decrypt them, and then generate the notification ourselves locally.[1]

[1] https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=47723445


Ah, yes, they would be right. I feel like I had read that someone had migrated at some point, maybe it was WhatsApp or something.


It’s ironic seeing Gruber gripe about screen percentages used when his own website dedicates only about 50% of the screen width (on mobile) to content, and leaves the other half blank. Not to mention the light-grey-on-dark-grey and the tiny font.

Just as I need an ad blocker to browse the modern web, I need Reader mode to read Gruber’s rant about it.


If zooming in to read content is the biggest concern, that’s a win in the modern web. I double tap on the content and it fits to screen perfectly.


Optimal line length is a thing.


That's what CTRL+MouseWheel is for


not really "just as" at all if you think about it, though.


Of course, the relevant thing for us as a species is whether or not the forecast temperatures are sustainable for us.

The planet as a whole will do just fine. We're not going to break the planet. The reason that people bring up the huge anthropogenic spike in temperature is because us anthropoids evolved in the context of a narrow band, and it would seem as though we're moving the global climate out of that band.


We aren't hunter gather's, mammals have been around for hundreds of millions of years, and

Modern Humans can just use air conditioning tech, most people in india already have a tanki, people will just dig as far as they need to keep their water cool like they already do. Irronically the people most affected are the affluent in places like dubia, if the grid fails and they don't have backups.


> just use air conditioning tech

> the people most affected are the affluent in places like dubia, if the grid fails

Just use that noodle a little more. Connect the dots.


Oh cool! That looks like a super interesting product.

https://zoo.dev


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