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Breach of social contract. For years these companies pretended that their corporate culture was all about going out of their way to make employees happy and fulfilled. The massive WFH brought forth by the pandemic has exposed that corporate culture actually clashes with employee fulfillment and is not focused on supporting it. The rationale with their RTO mandates may have merits, the problem is this broader context. This is making an about face without ever openly admitting the longstanding hypocrisy, and this is what makes the arguments brought forth difficult to hear for most people, and I personally think that their feeling is legitimate.


Also big tech companies tend to have their offices in locations that are supply-constrained hellholes.

I. Will. Never. Go. Back. To. New. York.


+1 I'm very happy in a rural LCOL area.

I wouldn't live in SF proper even with a $500k salary increase.


> They’re angry, vocal, and sure of their morale superiority. There’s no point in engaging with them, so I remain quiet.

They do have morale superiority on this issue though. Not because WFH is superior and they are smarter than everyone else. But because the arguments brought by their counterparts are in most cases either very dishonest, or very dismissive and confrontational.

RTH mandates acknowledge that the fulfillment of the employees preferring WFH is not their priority even if it does not negatively impact productivity. Company culture is prioritized over employee fulfillment, while it was pretended that these cultures were all about making employees happier. Masks off, people are calling the BS, and this is perfectly legitimate.

What you see as arrogance really isn't, it is just outrage, and a legitimate one in my humble opinion. Keep in mind that not everyone has the luxury of watching this situation playout while being comfortably employed as VP of a fully remote company.


> the arguments brought by their counterparts are in most cases either very dishonest, or very dismissive and confrontational.

Can’t say I’ve seen that on HN. Typically, the arguments I see are along the lines of “I prefer working with people,” “I don’t have a good place to work at home,” and “I get distracted too easily at home.”

Can you point to 5 examples of those dishonest or confrontational replies? Because I see examples of the bad behavior I’m talking about in pretty much every single thread about remote work on HN.


No, those point are not about RTO, just find a co-working space near your home, with a 5 minutes bike commute (mine is 3 minute away), and with luck it'll also include good food and a gym (bouldering gym in my case).


That "just" is doing a lot of heavy lifting. Many, many people do not live a bike ride away from places like that.


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