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I hope this war will be short. And that the result will be Iran becoming a democracy that fully joins the global community. The Iranian people (Persians, Azerbaijanis, Kurds, and others), deserve better.

It would benefit the entire world to see Iran integrated and engaged internationally.


I know a lot of the responses are skeptical (for good reason), but the opportunity is certainly there. The pro-regime population is aging out, with the more secular youth taking hold. There has always been an appreciation for American culture (specifically) amongst the general population. This was true when I was there in the 80s and increasingly more true over the decades since. Concessions by the regime over the hijab laws is one example of the society drifting more towards Western norms. Alcohol and western style parties are way more present in the society than ever before. Basically, the foundation for it is certainly there.

Furthermore if Reza Pahlavi does manage to integrate into the society, he will most certainly use his business and political ties here in the US to westernize the society. He's said as much. Some of the more well known Iranian-American business leaders here in the US (CEO of Uber, CEO of intuit, founder of eBay for example) I'm sure would contribute to work towards this also.

There will be push-back from rural areas (just like anywhere else) and the regime will not go away overnight, but the possibility does exist for this outcome. I think the biggest roadblock would be America and Israel intentionally preventing this outcome for the reasons that suit them geopolitically.

EDIT: should have mentioned that after decades of widely known voter manipulation and more or less "mock" elections, Iranians would be happy to finally participate in actual democratic processes where their votes and voices matter


> And that the result will be Iran becoming a democracy that fully joins the global community.

You can hope that (and I can hope that), but the powers that are driving this military action completely do not care about this outcome. Which makes it exceedingly difficult for me to think this will happen.

I know the US proxies keep blabbering about 'regime change', but there's zero intentionality behind the political work to do that. My guess is balkanization, which won't really go how the US/Israel wants it to go


I can't believe that people are so naively optimistic - it's not too long that we fought endless wars in Iraq and Afghanistan and to what end?

The Taliban ruling Afghanistan and an unstable coalition in Iraq.

You know how much we spent? $5.8 to $8 trillion.


This is unlikelly because Iranian regime is going to execute false flag operations against their people to steer public opinion in their favour.

Not if the US kills the whole regime. They certainly have the firepower. And Israel has the intelligence.

There is zero likelihood of that. The IRGC and Iranian forces are a million strong and have a loyal base of support among the population. Without boots on the ground, relying on air power and 'moderate rebels' you are looking at at least a decade of war (using Syria and Libya as best-case-scenarios examples; Assad regime was nothing like the Iranian). The Israelis are dividing the opposition by pushing the out-of-touch monarchists as their would-be puppets and the Trump regime are backing them too. Which means they are not even seriously pushing any viable or credible alternative. They are likely arming the Kurdish and other ethnic factions in the region and stoking ethnic conflict. It is in Israel's interests to prolong the conflict , to degrade Iran's military and economy (like they did in Syria) and even break it up into smaller manageable parts. The monarchists are a moon-shot; Reza Pehlavi is not his father (who also was a US puppet) - Israelis like him because he will be weak and pliable and completely dependent on foreign patronage.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Yinon_Plan


Interesting point on Israel pushing for the monarchy to come back.

Democracy in the middle-east does not result in Israel or US aligned governments, but the monarchies have proven more interested in preserving their autocratic dynasties and quite easy and eager to work with Israel and the US to preserve themselves.


Aside from Israel are there any democracies in the Middle East?

My observation was that more democracy in the Middle East is not what Israel or the US is interested in, given that the people's choice there would be overwhelmingly against Israeli and US interests.

They replaced the last democratic choice in Egypt with another military dictator, they keep the widely unpopular autocrat in Jordan on his throne with military and intelligence subsidies, have established and propped up a network of autocratic Gulf states that toe the line...

So yeah, I would not be surprised that Israel and the US would be more than happy to but a scion of the previous Iranian autocratic dynasty back on the throne there.


Lebanon is democracy. It is true that system is sectarian (power-sharing among religious groups) but still a democracy.

Iran elects their President. Is it a shining example of a democracy, no, but it has a much stronger democratic tradition than say Saudi Arabia. If the US and British hadn't been meddling there for the last 70 years it would probably be a secular democracy now.

They elect someone from a short list approved by the supreme leader...who will execute policy dictated to him by the supreme leader. Plus thousands of Iranians are executed yearly for crimes against the regime (make it tens of thousands in 2026). Calling Iran a democracy is a joke, it's a brutal dictatorship.

Did I call it a democracy?

Anyway, democracy is not a binary. You'd be unlikely to call ancient Athens a democracy by modern standards and yet...


Israel's a democracy the way the 3/5ths compromise promoted democracy.

There is virtually zero recent historical precedent supporting your wish, and plenty of precedent suggesting the opposite will happen.

I wonder why that is.

We saw significant success with Germany, Japan, South Korea, and other countries in the past. But more recently, similar efforts seem to have ended in failure.


We fully went into those countries and were willing to spend decades rebuilding them.

They’re also nice countries, with governments and organisation. Places like Afghanistan have nothing. You have to try and start civilisation from scratch, in a hostile land.


> They’re also nice countries, with governments and organisation. Places like Afghanistan have nothing. You have to try and start civilisation from scratch, in a hostile land.

Iran has a lot though so it could work there.


They didn't have any natural resources that could be exploited.

> Fully joins the global community

If by that you mean that Iran will become a toothless vassal state of the U.S.-Americans, then God forbid.


What do you mean by “toothless”?

I was thinking more along the lines of Japan or South Korea. Militarily restrained, but prosperous and strong.

I understand that recent military actions have often made things worse, not better. I am just trying to stay optimistic. From what I know, many Iranians are not enthusiastic about religion controlling law and politics.


Does the us have any toothless vassal states?

We literally just went through this with Venezuela. They replaced the dictator with the assistant dictator. The Iranian face of regime change making the rounds in Western media is the son of the last Shah.

This scenario always imagines that the people getting bombs rained down on them will somehow determine that their actual friends in the world are those dropping the bombs.

Even accepting this, how exactly are these peaceful, western friendly civilians going to withstand a war better than their country's army?

It's very depressing to see this playbook credulously trotted out yet again. When has this worked?


the drones just have to fly slower for the kids and schools…”Easy, you just don't lead 'em so much”

This basically means that the government is already using OpenAI, Gemini, and other AI systems for large scale surveillance. They just wanted to add Anthropic to the list, and Anthropic said no.

The most import point of this story is that this is already happening. And it will likely continue regardless of who is elected.


The industry clearly prefers a system in which using the internet requires full identification. There are many powerful interests that support this model:

- Governments benefit from easier monitoring and enforcement.

- The advertising industry prefers verified identities for better targeting.

- Social media companies gain more reliable data and engagement.

- Online shopping companies can reduce fraud and increase tracking.

- Many SaaS companies would also welcome stronger identity verification.

In short, anonymity is not very profitable, and governments often favor identification because it increases oversight and control.

Of course, this leads to political debate. Some point out that voting often does not require ID, while accessing online services does. The usual argument is that voting is a constitutional right. However, one could argue that access to the internet has become a fundamental part of modern life as well. It may not be explicitly written into the Constitution, but in practice it functions as an essential right in today’s society.


You are missing the age/ID verification tech companies, who profit from violating privacy here. They have a strong incentive to try and convince/trick governments into legally requiring their services.

When anonymity is outlawed, then only outlaws will be anonymous.

Gemini pro medium is failing this:

I want to wash my car. The car wash is 50 meters from here. Should I walk or drive? Keep in mind that I am a little overweight and sedentary.

But amazingly chatgpt is telling me to drive.

Anyway, this just shows how they just patched this because the tiktok video with this went viral. These systems are LLMs and all these logic steps are still just LLM steps.


Also the answers are non-deterministic


It has been patched. I tried it last week and it definitely suggested walking. It seems like all the models have been updated, which is not surprising given that the TikTok video has got 3.5 million views.


I tried ChatGPT today. Same results as others.


This has been viral on Tiktok far at least one week. Not really 4 hours.


This trick went viral on TikTok last week, and it has already been patched. To get a similar result now, try saying that the distance is 45 meters or feet.

The new one is with upside down glass: https://www.tiktok.com/t/ZP89Khv9t/


By "patched", you can't mean they added something to the internal prompt to show it how to answer this one specific question?!


Absolutely. There is a preflight guardrail that steers specific words, phrases, concepts with tweaked output.


Such AGI wow!


I've speculated about this myself, but haven't heard anyone actually discuss it or reveal/leak this is the case. Do you have a source for this?

I implement them.

This is pure speculation.

The fact that you can still reproduce the issue doesn't give it a lot of credibility.


Why do you think they’re on GPT 5.2 now?


"Stupid Pencil Maker" by Shel Silverstein

Some dummy built this pencil wrong,

The eraser's down here where the point belongs,

And the point's at the top - so it's no good to me,

It's amazing how stupid some people can be.


I was able to reproduce on ChatGPT with the exact same prompt, but not with the one I phrased myself initially. Which was interesting. I tried also changing the number and didn't get far with it.


I just got the “you should walk” result on ChatGPT 5.2


To me, the "patching" that is happening anytime some finds an absolutely glaring hole in how AIs work is so intellectually dishonest. It's the digital equivalent of house flippers slapping millennial gray paint on structural issues.

It can't math correctly, so they force it to use a completely different calculator. It can't count correctly, unless you route it to a different reasoning. It feels like every other week someone comes up with another basic human question that results in complete fucking nonsense.

I feel like this specific patching they do is basically lying to users and investors about capabilities. Why is this OK?


Counting and math makes sense to add special tools for because it’s handy. I agree with your point that patching individual questions like this is dishonest. Although I would say it’s pointless too. The only value from asking this question is to be entertained, and “fixing” this question makes the answer less entertaining.


From a technological standpoint, it is pointless. But from a marketing perspective, it is very important.

Take this trick question as an example. Gemini was the first to “fix” the issue, and the top comment on Hacker News is praising how Gemini’s “reasoning” is better.


> The only value from asking this question is to be entertained, and “fixing” this question makes the answer less entertaining.

You're thinking like a user. The people doing the patching are thinking like a founder trying to maintain the impression that this is a magical technology that CEOs can use to replace all their workers.

You don't have as much money to spend as the CEOs, so they don't care about your entertainment.


No, you are wrong. AGI is at our doorsteps! /s


I got the "you should walk" answer 4 out of 5 times with free ChatGPT, until I told it to, basically, "think carefully": https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=47040530


Ah yes, one of those novelty reversible cups.


This is a trick cup, so it's okay to have a laugh.


"patched" = the answer is in search results


Patched where; 4 models were responses were posted. Also, Azure deployed models are absolutely not "patched" on the fly; they are rarely updated and the dates are baked into the full sku.

"Patching" could be happening in "general public" tools but honestly sounds a lot like "Bro science".


still failed for me on opus 4.6 extended a second ago.

when i prompted about how walking would mean leaving my car behind the "thinking" done before coming to the right conclusion was:

> lmao, fair point. the user is right - you need to bring the car to the car wash. that's a legitimate correction. own it.


One thing I have learned from the Epstein files is that when someone labels themselves as “woke,” “progressive,” or committed to “class struggle,” you should not automatically take them at their word. People lie and cheat all the time.


Labels are like military medals, when people give them to themselves it's a red flag.


True believers can make easy marks.


Most people are basically good. Don’t let high profile monsters like Epstein and his friends turn you into a misanthrope.


Weird take considering Epstein was literal rightist, racist and sexist to the bone for whom feminisms was the biggest enemy. (I mean, of course, he was abuser and the woke idea that abuse is something wrong was the primary danger to him and his associates.)

Politically, both side are in the files, plenty of supposed centrists, but the hell more right wing and billionaires and soft right wing is on it more.


Ethnic Jewish supremacist as clearly evidenced by the email but very little reporting in the media. Complete racist also. I wonder if this was how he and his goons told themselves that it's okay to traffic the women from the former Soviet Union and other poor parts of the world, maybe they thought the girls were below them in every way possible.


You forgot to mention eugenics.


Weird take. To me it’s more that billionaires shouldn’t exist and trump is a pedophile


I used to think this sounds crazy but I am thinking a bit that being a billionaire corrupts you in the sense that normal things don't do it anymore for you and it's just more and more depravity.


Humans have been corrupted by power since power structures have existed, why would it be any different now.


The depravity also gets served up to you on a silver platter when you are at that level.


I saw the video and understand the problem but I cannot simulate it. The keyboard always works great for me. Could it be that this bug is related to AI? Or some language settings?


Same. I have both NL + EN configured languages on my keyboard and I couldn't reproduce it with either NL/EN and EN/NL. In the video you can see they have 4 keyboards configured. It would be helpful to know which keyboard they are using.


SHOULD = You are strongly recommended to do this, but it’s not absolutely required.

- In most cases, you are expected to follow it.

- You can choose not to follow it, but you must have a very good reason.

For example, RFC 7231 say that there should be DATE header but some embedded devices have no real-time clock so it ok not to implement.


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