IIRC, most child (under 18, at least; 18-21 is a problem with the trusted to drink standard) marriage laws in the US agree that the child can’t be trusted on this, so they trust the child’s parents.

(This is very much not an endorsement of those laws or that approach.)

It's just as gross and wrong that we allow parents to marry off their children to an adult as it is that we allow the marriage to take place at all. It's effectively the same as selling children into sexual slavery.

Or vote.

I strongly prefer RTO for myself personally. I can’t stand working from home. I believe the solution is have a shorter commute and live closer to the office (even though I live far away, I am trying to convince my wife to move). I have mixed feelings about forcing RTO because I know some strongly prefer WFH. Maybe 2 or 3 days is the best middle ground. Personally I miss when everyone was at the office 5 days a week.

> solution is have a shorter commute and live closer to the office

With a short commute, a private office, and environment conducive to both focused work and collaboration as required, I imagine a lot more folks would be happy to RTO. However, this is not the reality for most who are asked to waste hours commuting (or uproot families to move closer) to sit surrounded by noise and distraction.

I suspect “I miss when everyone was at the office 5 days a week” is behind many of these RTO mandates, and I am not sure the sacrifice made by people (like you) who don’t get to see colleagues quite as often is balanced against the sacrifice made by folks who have to uproot their whole lives or waste hours per day commuting.

Uber does this all the time to me. It’s so frustrating. I allow notifications from uber when I don’t from most apps because they are useful when a ride is incoming. Yet I get random spam notifications. I wish Apple would stand up for their own rules and do something about it but since they don’t even enforce this rule on themselves what hope is there

There’s a reduce transparency setting in accessibility. Wonderful what this will look like if that’s on. I’ve been using it for years as I don’t like frills.

I’m a us citizen and I do want this. Speak for yourself. China bans us social media. Us should ban Chinese social media.

Where is that whataboutism coming from. What has the one to do with the other? Do you want a great Firewall for America? Is that what this is about?

At least they’re consistent? I don’t know seems like folks in the EU would be better off spending time innovating on product and technology. It’s fine to regulate but to make that your only contribution is not fine imo.

Europe has many globally successful technology companies. ASML and Siemens, The Pirate Bay and Spotify, SAP and Accenture. It also seems Swedish Match has managed to "innovate" quite well on cigarettes by introducing tobacco free nicotine pouches to the US, which I'd expect to be a continuing financial success story over the coming years.

Infringing on people's data protection rights isn't a precondition to product development and innovation, that's just a weak justification of tyranny.

We've all but given up. Pessimism for the future is at an all time high and there's a major economic crisis looming on the horizon. We have runaway inflation and stagnant salaries, and for those who manage to mitigate inflation personally or via a union, by getting a salary increase, well they actually contribute to more inflation in general.

Why should I do my best when I'm underpaid. I'm sure many companies here in Europe wouldn't mind paying their employees more, but profit margins are razor thin.

There's no money for R&D.

The whole google shopping case is ridiculous. If you are “big enough” and you change (aka make improvements to) your products you get fined. Foundem could have built a direct relationship with customers but that’s not the direction they went.

Antitrust law does not forbid a company's decision to compete in a new market.

It forbids using your existing monopoly in one market as a weapon against competitors in the new markets you choose to enter.

The conduct that was illegal here was burying their comparison shopping competitor's websites in Google search results, not "making improvements" to something.

I think what GP is arguing here, and that's something I agree with, is that this wouldn't be an issue if Google shopping was available from the start.

If Google launched Shopping on the same day they launched search, they could have continued the product and it wouldn't have been an antitrust violation. However, because they changed the product and introduced Shopping when they were already large, they're being treated differently.

This approach essentially forces large companies to "calcify", because any improvement to their popular product might be seen as an antitrust violation. It also discourages an MVP approach because if you get too popular too quickly, you're limited in how your MVP can grow.

You speak as if the fine was issued for no reason, or that no assessment of the facts and law were conducted.

Google did abused their position. That was determined to be true in fact finding.

I believe the point of the case is that a similar feature by another Google product wasn't penalized in search results while they were penalized.

> If you are big and improve you get fined

Well, no... You get fined if you make improvements AND use your already big position to bury competition that may compete with your improvement.

Google could've just marketed their option along the competitors but no, they had to get rid of the competitors results in search too, and that's the issue

What do we know about apples other backend services? I’ve worked in compute infra in big tech for 8 years and I don’t know anything about apple’s backend.

Apple has a lot of Java WebObjects running on old Unix servers

I think the top comment reflects this - I have adhd too and I can’t be productive at home. I suffer a commute every day because my job performance tanked when I worked from home 8 mo strait. I’m much more productive at the office - I just wish my wife would agree to move closer to the office.

If you have a geographically centralized team (I.e everyone is in the same city) it makes sense to me to have the team be together at least one day a week. If you’re by yourself in a company office then RTO mandates makes no sense to me.

> If you have a geographically centralized team (I.e everyone is in the same city) it makes sense to me to have the team be together at least one day a week

Wanna expand on that? Why does that "make sense"?

In-person collaboration has real benefits for some situations. Team cohesion is not a totally made up thing. So, if it's reasonably cheap, such as everyone in the same city, it's worth getting the team together regularly.

Some distributed organizations strive to bring even international teams together from time to time, even if it's just once a year.

The whole point of this discussion is that decisions based on somebody's opinions but applied to everybody give poor results. In this case, if you forced "office Mondays", you would lose several seniors. The question is, is the net result worth it? You can be convinced it is, but without hard data it's meaningless.

(I work for an international corporation and we have hybrid meetings once a year but it never works 100% in person because people work from different continents, it would make no sense.)

the company that i work for has several people in the same city or close enough that we can go meet at the office, yet i completely disagre with this take.

If collaboration is beneficial in some situation then in office meetings should happen with a situation that would benefit from this collaboration arise. If the need is not there then there is no point.

In my team we go to the office once a month mostly for social interaction, it is usually the day we are lest productive because we basically drink coffee and catch up and even then it is open if you have other personal needs to participate remotely or not at all, we had months were there wasn't anyone in the office and we just meet virtually. I have not gone into the office yet this year myself for a number of reasons.

I still collaborate constantly with my team mates, we have enough tools for remote collaboration that make being physically in the same space irrelevant, this also allow collaboration to extend the team members in other countries so i am not limited to the people that live close by.