Including software developers. Mathematicians tops unless the touch something outside code. An engine is literally multiple disciplines in one. I tired of SDs thinking they are engineers without touching hardware.

Hear hear!

Doesn't matter. Same as Facebook or any other data hoarder. They use the data to manipulate society. This has always been the problem with personal data as the Red Herring.

USA: Hyperdetailed electronic information about you does not belong to you. EU: Well, it sorta does, altho we're still working out the kinks.

I was wondering if this is valuable for the mineable PII or for the AI training data? Maybe boyh.

food engineers are considered real engineers. There is no way food engineering is more engineering than software engineering.

Say that to the victims of social media.

Foreign born people who come from generational wealth can and do exploit'disadvantaged' business enterprises (DBE, MOBE, etc.) I am not tech field but AEC and the amount of businesses that exploit this is insane. It was created for blacks mostly, but used almost exclusively by Indians.

To claim that a rule was created for a particular race is unfair to begin with, even if that was a motivation. Rules exist equally for everyone.

John Fogerty used this method to write his early CCR albums. I thought it odd. Maybe I will try this!

Is Silicon Valley a success? I would argue it has been an abject failure on culture and society at large. It has generated money for people by stealing every bit of data it can, but that really isnt success but for the few who can put theor fingers on that money stream. It has provided little past doomscrolling and narcissism fodder.

Now do the tech industry (high paying American jobs)

Why is tech high paying exactly? Maybe low supply of qualified labor? Maybe that can be solved with qualified immigration? We can call such a program H1B, for example, and it would benefit the American economy overall at the cost of slightly reducing compensation fir the already extremely highly paying tech jobs.

@crossbody that makes too much sense though

Immigration is about short-changing the natives to make the billionaires wealthier, yes, we know.

People are also now learning this fact, which is why you’re getting unpalatable politicians elected.

"I'm being short-changed!" claims rich minority whose high pay even fresh out of university leads to SF rents being unafordable by key workers.

Irony is, that doesn't prevent such sentiments as yours leading to people like Trump. I had a chance to live in the USA years back, I'm glad I didn't bother to take it.

I didn’t say anything about tech workers.

Motte, Bailey. You responded in a thread about tech workers and H1Bs, on a tech forum.

> Now do the tech industry

Do you have numbers? If you don’t, the appropriate baseline is population.

Are convenience stores getting h1bs for their shelf stockers? How the hell is the baseline population an appropriate metric for evaluating a niche role?

America got to the moon without H1-Bs. America doesn't need H1-Bs. America just needs a little wake up call, which the H1-Bs did. Now watch things unfold as an informed person.

> America got to the moon without H1-Bs.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Operation_Paperclip

From the linked article:

> The operation played a crucial role in the establishment of NASA and the success of the Apollo missions to the Moon.

Those are not H1-Bs.

tell me you've never opened a history book...

You mean the part where former HP exec Carly Fiorina said “Forget the engineers”?