jgc is the author of the linked email, and this submission initially had a title that implied Cloudlfare was laying out plans for the future governance.
A comment like this is a bannable offence on HN, especially when the account has made many previous comments that were uncivil or unsubstantive, as this one has.
Your account has some great comments in its history too, though. You clearly know how to use HN as intended. Please just do that from now on.
What was the best case scenario (in your opinion) for this message?
My mission is to speak the truth, ONLY the truth.
I don't mind ruffling feathers along the way, especially in regards to JGC, who is actively taking steps to destroy the FOSS principles of the LuaJIT project.
I'd sooner see myself banned than retract or apologize for a single character of anything I've said thus far, or plan to say soon.
I'm not sure I understand your question, but there are lots of ways to speak the truth, and on HN you're expected to do so civilly and substantively. Personal attacks are especially not allowed.
Sometimes people justify their uncivil, unsubstantive comments by posing as warriors for the truth and so on, but this is silly, because the truth isn't served by such posturing at all, and rudeness makes a comment less persuasive.
All this is being driven by Mike Pall who created LuaJIT.
If you really think that I, personally, am "actively taking steps to destroy the FOSS principles of the LuaJIT project" then get involved on the Lua mailing list and ensure that whatever principles you want are maintained.
The biggest disconnect I have with you is that you are asserting that I am messing up the FOSS nature of LuaJIT but I don't see how moving it to Github (with Mike's help), getting people involved as widely as possible etc. is doing that. What, specifically, are you concerned about in what I/CloudFlare are doing?
> Absolutely no concrete assurance (from CF officially) that the LuaJIT project will be developed openly.
The project was never completely developed in the open, with the test suite and the interaction between sponsors and Mike being private.
> On top of all that, the murky posts on the actual list indicate no significant progress has been made on figuring out a new direction for the project, and little to no effort has been made to do more than announce to the community what's (allegedly) going on.
The progress is indeed slow, but it is not surprising given the short delay since the announcement and the complexity of the code.
LuaJIT has currently a bus factor of one. Some people are familiar with some aspects of the code but there are no guaranties that they have the time to take over the project.
From what I gather, ATM, Cloudflare doesn't have employees that could step up and replace Mike, which means it would be foolish of them to burn the bridges with the community.
From what I gather, ATM, Cloudflare doesn't have employees that could step up and replace Mike, which means it would be foolish of them to burn the bridges with the community.
This is true. There is not obvious replacement for Mike at CloudFlare or elsewhere. I've been hoping that discussion on the mailing list would lead to someone emerging or a consensus.
Also, Mike has said he wants the transition to be 'one to two months' and I have not personally been involved with the LuaJIT community so stepping as lightly as possible while trying to do what Mike wanted (which was have CloudFlare take the load off his shoulders and help the transition).
I very much doubt that you and I are going to come to agreement on this. Mike's been involved on the mailing list. Perhaps you should address this directly with him.
Absolutely no concrete assurance (from CF officially) that the LuaJIT project will be developed openly.
