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Google has bought dejanews and has profited immensely from open source and open information.

So I do think they have an obligation either a) to make the whole archive available for anyone or b) maintain it properly.

Properly means restoring the fast UI from around 2004.



If you found a human at Google instead of a bot, it would probably say their only obligation is to their shareholders.

It's probably not a good idea to depend on a public company to steward an important community.

Does the Internet Archive have copies of all the old stuff at least?


Their only obligation, if we take for granted that there are any humans left at Google, is keeping the aforementioned bots powered.

Which is sad, but expected.


There are quite a few humans at Google, both in HN and at twitter. Sadly all of them that I talked with seemed like people that I would not want to interact with again.


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Warning: contains snark. Not all googlers are bad but I am grumpy. There's now one you despise so much as the one you loved that betrayed you and all that.

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Busily making sure it feels even more lame to try to give them feedback? Or wondering what thriving ecosystem they can destroy next after

- destroying rss,

- participating in destroying federated messaging,

- trying to kill all independent browser engines and replace it with a nerfed on that "sadly" can't block ads

Some ideas:

Maybe they can come up with a more opaque way to shut down peoples accounts?

Or maybe a more sneaky way to befriend the Chinese government?


And that whole AMP thing.

And don't forget about that whole extension of the government thing. https://wikileaks.org/google-is-not-what-it-seems/


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> It is also annoying how all google employees on HN suddenly disappear on threads that talk about the new cool unethical thing that google decided to do.

We're here and do pay attention. Plenty of Googlers write comments criticizing the company here.


Which amount to little more than nothing. Google is destroying the open Internet and everyone that works there is complicit.


Like it or not, Google is a part of the Open Internet.

Example: AMP was created to protect the free flow of information which was being silo'd into apps. Consumers of news were abandoning the open (mobile) web due to the godawful performance and advertising issues. Google saw the existential threat of everything being locked down within Facebook and Reddit. Is this preferable?


Wait, Google feels any obligations at all? I thought they only made decisions based on what's most likely to maximize their growth?


"... their only obligation is to their shareholders."

That'd be an improvement.

Page & Brin retain controlling interest, despite their minority stake.


How did it profit from the Usenet archives? Genuinely curious.


How did it profit from the Usenet archives? Genuinely curious.

Dejanews was the seed material for Google Groups, any profit derived from that (ads) was from content posted to Usenet by people who never intended for it to be used for that.


Groups doesn't (and didn't ever?) Show ads as far as I know. So you're reaching for second or third order effects at best.


You think that realtime ad impressions is all they get from you reading granular forum posts?

Sadly, even in 2020, nothing has yet replaced what Deja was at the time it got acquired and destroyed.


> So you're reaching for second or third order effects at best.

I'm curious what second or third order effects you think a usenet archive had on GG.


From G side they gained users interacting with 50K+ topics and occasionally posting views, sentiment etc. (and likely all Deja News historic interactions)

In addition to the search history, email content, geo location etc. G have for many people


Deja did a fairly good job at destroying itself beforehand - not just financially.


I remember how awesome the initial version of the Google usenet archive was. It's horrifying how much they have let the UX deteriorate.




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