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> The importance of following the principles for public health is greater than the importance of the advice being unbiasedly perfect

Extraordinary claims require extraordinary evidence.

Also, even if this is true at some point, as more people adopt your mindset of conformity, it would become very valuable to manipulate, which is easy to do (Goodhart’s law).



Overwhelmingly we follow laws against public drinking, noise ordinances, littering, etc. How is following a mask mandate adopting a mindset of conformity that is different than following laws on littering? Consider the possibility that you have been manipulated to find outrage/concern/defiance over wearing a mask.


In my country, laws compelling mask wearing outdoors in non-crowded spaces have been criticized by scientists (often the same ones advising the government on COVID) for various reasons, e.g.:

1) regardless of how you might think masks are unobtrusive, enough of the population will consider it annoying to wear a mask when jogging or cycling that they won't exercise. Even during this pandemic, public-health officials think exercise needs to be encouraged for long-term public health and less demand on the healthcare system.

2) The science shows that the risk of COVID spread outdoors in non-public spaces is negligible. If a health minister requires masks in spite of the science, he harms his own credibility. That means that the population might also start to ignore those measures that scientists say are essential.

Definitely wearing a mask indoors or in crowded outdoor spaces remains relevant. But there are legitimate grounds for criticism here and nuance, it isn't just inane outrage or defiance.


> 1) ...annoying to wear a mask when jogging or cycling...

This has never stopped mandatory cycle helmet laws.

> 2) ... risk ... is negligible.

This has never stopped mandatory cycle helmet laws.

Although many people vocally disagree with cycle helmet laws, nobody has ever called it an 'atrocity' or said that complying with these laws was a 'mindset of conformity'. This is a ridiculous exaggeration.


> This has never stopped mandatory cycle helmet laws.

Actually it has, at least, it is one way the introduction of new laws in jurisdictions is opposed. There is research to suggest that mandatory cycle-helmet laws discourage healthful recreational cycling and commuting, and this has been used to suggest that the laws would ultimately be counterproductive from a public-health perspective.


There are legitimate grounds of criticism but not legitimate grounds for talking about a mindset of conformity in the sense Siira meant.


Those laws are fixed norms against doing concrete bad things. A norm of listening to any bullshit some authority figure spouses is not a fixed norm, but a meta-norm to respect any new norms created by that authority.

My media consumption is also extremely limited, and comes almost exclusively from left-centrist (HN top posts, Techmeme) sources.


You should probably read more sources if you think that news aggregators (and Hacker News in particular) are left of centre.


What are some left-centrist sources then?




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