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A person I know studied in East Germany in the early 80s via a very limited exchange program. After the wall came down, she requested her Stasi file.

It was fascinating what was in the file - lots of misunderstandings and misinterpretations. For example, she was upset when the Challenger exploded, and this mystified the Stasi informers who had previously identified her as a pacifist (in their minds, the Shuttle was 100% military).

Similarly, she was trying to research what happened to a relative who had remained in Germany in the late 30s, and whether she had died of natural causes or been sent to the camps. The Stasi file was filled with speculations on the details of this "sleeper agent" with whom she was trying to establish contact.

All this to say that from the mindset of a spy, everything is spy-craft. Everyone's world-view shapes their interpretation of events and reality itself. Was the shuttle a military venture? Partly. Was it also a tool for science? Yup. But the functionaries who looked at her data in the heat of the cold war certainly couldn't see those distinctions.

For what it's worth, she was able to get her Stasi file, but has never been able to get a copy of her FBI file.



This might be a good way to explain my discomfort with online tracking.

Machines categorising you based on your behaviour, without your knowledge nor your consent. It's not so bad when it serves you ads (unless it sells alcohol to alcoholics), but there's no telling what similar algorithms would say about you in the hands of a rogue government. They can find vulnerable people, people who hate certain people [0], people who talk to certain people or hold certain ideas.

What makes it even more terrifying is that machines can categorise people much faster, based on a much broader set of information. It's not just informants and paper reports, but computers processing and connection millions of data points.

I'm bringing all of my data together[1], and the result is a graph of every place I've visited, every conversation I've had, everything I looked up, every book I've read, every transaction I've made, every video I've watched and everyone I've talked to. There's even more data about me in the wild, and if you combined it with other people's data, you could figure out even more about my every move.

It's a good thing that the Stasi was a few decades early.

[0] https://www.propublica.org/article/facebook-enabled-advertis...

[1] https://nicolasbouliane.com/projects/timeline


There's a beautiful song by Vienna Teng called The Hymn of Acxiom[1][2] that covers this nicely. It's in the form of a hymn sung by the data collecting machine itself. It starts off like a message of love and reassurance, but the reassurance unravels as it goes on, until finally we reach the double meaning of it all: "Embrace you for all you’re/your worth"

   Somebody hears you
   You know that inside
   Someone is learning the colors of all your moods to
   (say just the right thing and) show that you’re understood
   Here you’re known

   Leave your life open
   You don’t have to hide
   Someone is gathering every crumb you drop
   These (mindless decisions and) moments you long forgot
   Keep them all

   Let our formulas find your soul
   We’ll divine your artesian source (in your mind)
   Marshal feed and force (our machines will)
   To design you a perfect love —
   Or (better still)
   A perfect lust
   O how glorious, glorious:
   A brand new need is born

   Now we possess you
   You’ll own that in time
   Now we will build you an endlessly upward world
   (reach in your pocket) embrace you for all you’re worth

   Is that wrong?
   Isn’t this what you want?
[1] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Acxiom

[2] https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QF-7WiLykGM


The performance itself is haunting as well, all a capella harmony. Give it a listen.


This is one of the strangest and most amazing art pieces I've experienced. Perfectly captures our time, both in technology used to produce the song and the meaning of all the words


Its a beautiful work, but the message is absolutely haunting. I have great appreciation for music like this


I hold that we still have not imagined (not even in science fiction) the horrors totalitarian governments are now capable of in a fully-networked, computer-brokered society.


Like implementing social credit score and aloowing people activities based on it? Oh wait...


That's just a very light beginning, a prolog, not more. Imagine Facebook with all its data run by the state, and fully used.


They basically manufacture consent by assuming it since they already have all your friends.


I don't think this is reserved to governments, one can easily imagine corporatised versions of the same thing.


How long did it take you to build Timeline?


I work on it on and off. Sometimes I'll work on it full time for a few days, and sometimes I'll leave it untouched for months. I started it in late 2019, IIRC.


One other funny detail is that most of the Stasi file was handwritten notes in pencil. The vast majority of it was crap. It seems that a lot of her associates were obligated to report on her to the Stasi, but either couldn't or didn't want to give any details that would be harmful to anyone.

Much of it was along the lines of "[fellow student] says [subject] was disinclined to denounce rent-control as a counter-revolutionary ploy during a late-night discussion with [other student]." or "[room mate] overheard [subject] calling her family in the US, and did not hear any overt discussion of politics."


The Stasi was, especially in the end, exponentional invasive. Meaning they approached allmost anyone in any slightly important position and put pressure on them, to work with them to report on their collegues. (In the end, there were 90 000 of them, with a population of only 16 million).

"you help us (and socialism) and we help your career - or you decline and good luck with your career, or the carrer of your partner. Your children ..."

The results were mainly those worthless reports. But if you were on the hook once - they could pressure you into more, if they really were interested in your peers and not just routine surveillance of everyone.

But could you live with knowing you send one to prison for telling a bad joke about the government?

So many still declined, to work with them and suffered the consequences.

In either case, the massive surveillance was well known, it was assumed that everything you say loudly - got recorded.

Deep chilling effect.


For an amazing movie (not documentary) about the Stasi, watch "The Lives of Others". It is chilling because you see this institution and how it effects people through the eyes of one of the people responsible for doing the spying.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Lives_of_Others


This is not just on topic. It's genuinely one of the best German movies.


I very much agree.

One of my favourite DDR joke from the movie:

"Erich Honecker gets up in the morning, goes to the window and says: Good morning dear sun!

The sun replies: Good morning dear Erich.

At noon, Erich says: Good day dear sun!

A good day to you, dear Erich.

In the evening before sunset Erich wants to greet the sun again: Good night dear sun.

...

no reply

Again: Good night dear sun!

still no reply.

But dear sun, what is wrong, why are you not answering anymore?

The sun:

"screw you, I am in the west now."

A reference to the people, who managed to escape into the west and no longer had to fake friendliness with the system. And the way the joke is told in the movie and the reactions towards it, are also telling a lot of the spirit of the time.


I watched the movie few months/years back. Pretty good and interesting film.


you send one to prison for telling a bad joke about the government?

For the most part, that sort of thing did not send people to prison. They'd have run out of prisons.


This is inaccurate. They let it go a lot, but they used it happily the minute you got on their wrong side, and it absolutely was enough.


but has never been able to get a copy of her FBI file

This can be confusing because there are various bewildering options, some of which are slower (or outright ineffective for personal records) than others but getting FBI records is comparatively straightforward once you've navigated the maze. I did it a few years ago and they sent me a CD's worth of stuff, plus a note of things they had not sent me or had redacted with instruction on challenging their decisions on these.


I'm not positive, but I seem to recall she said that she requested files, but just got back a folder of redacted sheets only showing a few dates and her name scattered throughout.


Most people don't have 'FBI files' or they are essentially trivial stuff. A bunch of mine was immigration stuff.


I wonder how much of that was just regular Stasi bureaucrats trying to keep their job. If everyone on their watchlist was a potential spy, then maybe their bosses stay scared enough to keep them employed? Or maybe that was the metric they used for promotions, and it inevitably became a target, resulting in a massive inflation of potential "spies" within the bureaucracy.


Anyone who is interested in this stuff should watch The Lives of Others (2006). It is unfathomable just how deeply entrenched Stasi was in every affair of citizens in East Germany. No organization in history has perhaps been as effective as them at spycraft, at least of their own people.


Their foreign intelligence division (the HVA) was also regarded as the best of the best.


Hey, my mother was in almost exactly the same situation and has been talking to people about it. They should get in touch, although I'm not sure how to do that.


Did she study in Rostock in '86?


Yeah, I'm not certain of the year but yeah.

Edit: no, she was 88.

From brown? Afaiu that was the main program.


Yup, Brown. I'm sure they know one another!




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