I forgot about this, but the point stands, we still don't use energy that we collect to achieving the outcome he states:

> that helps poor people not starve which is actually important

If we generalise that meeting a minimal bar on the Maslow's Hierarchy of Needs, then we're still pretty poor on that front.

Thanks for the link, having read this, it's a valid counterpoint against generally increasing GDP as we currently think of it.

However a lot of discussions at present don't hold to limiting growth to Earth.

What this means however is up for grabs, it could take a very long time to figure out how to practically go further than Earth.

It is however probably worth more consideration than modern economics would give it.

Yeah. In the long run we always lose to entropy too. Life is about what happens before living is no longer possible so we may as well jump as high as we can. At least someone gets to enjoy themselves.