Why can't I choose to have my tax dollars go somewhere besides the Military? I think this whole 'choice' thing with education is odd. Government isn't a buffet you get to 'choose' where the money goes.
The responsibility is to provide a minimum education standard. Teach logic, science, math, reading. Give all kids equally some minimal ability to function.
Why do some kids get choice and others do not?
If a lot of parents choose to indoctrinate their kids to be Scientologist, that would be wrong wouldn't it? That would have negative consequences for everyone.
What about teaching them that honor killings if they have sex before marriage is ok?
Even the bible teaches if a women cheats, she should be stoned. Is that where we are going with our 'choice'? What if a large portion of the population 'chooses' to stone women because that is what their school taught where their parents 'choose' to enroll them. At some point that changes society, and that is the goal of the religious right in promoting private schools.
If the Taliban choose to teach stoning, it's Evil, if Christians do it, it's 'Choice'?
How did we get to a point where people are ok with tossing out the separation of church and state?
People are willing to die for the second amendment, but really like cherry picking everything else.
> Government isn't a buffet you get to 'choose' where the money goes.
Well, in the case of school vouchers it would be is the point, and thats ok.
With regards to paying your local fire department, it would be impractical to try and get people to "choose" which fire department to be covered by. Fire department vouchers wouldn't work.
But with schooling, it very much is possible for parents to move their children between schools, therefore a voucher/charter systems works quite well.
> The responsibility is to provide a minimum education standard. Teach logic, science, math, reading. Give all kids equally some minimal ability to function.
Yes, it is good to provide those things. But that is the bare minimum. There is lots of room for additional schooling choice that go above and beyond teaching the most minimal necessities.
EX: If some parents want their kids to focus much more on intensive science or technology schooling, thats fine.
Not disagreeing with you, just trying to get a grasp of your principle here: prohibit schools from teaching/encouraging illegal acts?
Morality is beyond laws, in a sense, and you might think "immoral acts" is more proper. I don't feel like going down that rabbit hole, but I felt I had to mention it.
Teaching about religions, is different than teaching that a specific religion is a fact to follow.
The problem is when teaching that immoral acts are 'correct', that they are actually 'moral'. As in 'I was just taught that stoning was a valid response to cheating, hence I can feel moral in stoning someone'.
I think you are wrong that Morality is beyond law. If morality can shift based on how you were raised, and then people do want laws to reflect their morality,
a society can get to a point where stoning is ok with the law, is legal and moral.
I suppose I didn't express myself very well. The rabbit hole I mentioned is about how people agree or disagree with aspects of each others' moralities, and what the outcome should be in the larger context of society. I agree that stoning as a punishment for adultery shouldn't be tolerated, but that doesn't mean my principles for believing that are necessarily the same as yours, or that I share your other principles. That's what I'm trying to get at.
The dance of which morality is correct and should be enshrined in law (I think anything that is "clearly" immoral should be prohibited by law as a 1:1 mapping; the law is therefore a reflection of morality) is not one I like to partake in. Even if we all agree to discard current major religious beliefs around morality, there will still be many points for people to disagree on. Some people will be very left out and others slightly; that's what I meant by "morality is beyond laws". There is an inherent impasse that arises at this junction.
There is definitely a problem with splitting hairs on finer and finer points, until everyone is subdivided, until each individual has their own religion, their own morality. No two people are identical, and it is also impossible to force or convince everyone to be identical, thus there is always something different to disagree on.
So all arguments on religion are really fruitless.
I guess I come back to, how to get to a best common good. And in todays US, there is such a wide split between people, that there is also a wide range of things where there could be compromise to have a better society. Every difference is a chance to find a solution.
So how do we get to commonalities if kids are indoctrinated (brain washed) from an early age.
Religion blocks progress, because if someone truly believes in their god, then they wont compromise. Then there are religious wars, persecutions, inquisitions, etc... And sadly, the US is moving that way with the blurring of the split between state and church.
We don't have to agree on all points of religion to make progress, we just have to agree to some basics like maybe treat everyone equally, don't beat up trans kids. Religion should be taught in the home, not in the schools. There should be a lot of room to come together before we get to an impasse.
The 'left' is trying to do good, make things better, 'to progress', and they are clueless that the 'right' is actually in a Holy War without compromises where anything goes. It's an un-even fight. This country went to the moon, I never in a million years thought we could backslide into religious dogmatism. So, all of this arguing in this thread that religious schools are ok, is really not looking at history.
Well said, and I agree. I have some staunchly religious friends, and while they're happy to discuss things with me, there are just some topics they'll never change my mind on, nor I them. Oh well. That's life. I'll stand up for what I think is right and hopefully society largely agrees.
The responsibility is to provide a minimum education standard. Teach logic, science, math, reading. Give all kids equally some minimal ability to function.
Why do some kids get choice and others do not?
If a lot of parents choose to indoctrinate their kids to be Scientologist, that would be wrong wouldn't it? That would have negative consequences for everyone.
What about teaching them that honor killings if they have sex before marriage is ok?
Even the bible teaches if a women cheats, she should be stoned. Is that where we are going with our 'choice'? What if a large portion of the population 'chooses' to stone women because that is what their school taught where their parents 'choose' to enroll them. At some point that changes society, and that is the goal of the religious right in promoting private schools.
If the Taliban choose to teach stoning, it's Evil, if Christians do it, it's 'Choice'?
How did we get to a point where people are ok with tossing out the separation of church and state?
People are willing to die for the second amendment, but really like cherry picking everything else.