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Has anyone tested this client with The Email Privacy Tester yet? https://grepular.com/email_privacy_tester/ - I'd do it myself, but I don't have an iOS device.


I was seriously shocked to see that the iPhone's native client leaked that bad. 2 questions: 1) Is it possible for an app to leak less? 2) Is the 'leakage' already commonly exploited by firms for specific means? (proving you saw something etc.)

If anyone could help, that'd be awesome!


My understanding (I don't have an iOS device) is that the standard iOS email client has remote images enabled by default, and if you turn that off, then it doesn't leak at all. I think all email clients should have the option to automatically load remote images, but that it should be disabled by default. The problem is, users don't understand that by clicking the "load remote images" button, it will be possible to track them, so they often don't understand its purpose.

It is possible for an email app to not leak at all. All it has to do is not load remote content unless the user specifically requests it.

Yes, these tricks are commonly exploited. Most of the time, people just use a simple img tag pointing to a 1 pixel image, although recently there was some news about Facebook using the bgsound tag.

I don't know if law enforcement ever use these sort of techniques to try and track down suspects, but it wouldn't surprise me.


You are correct about iOS. On my iPhone 4 with iOS 5.1, with remote images enabled (by default) it leaks 17 out of 32 categories. With remote images disabled, it leaks 0 out of 32 categories.

In contrast, Outlook for Mac 2011 leaks 2 out of 32 categories (audio and video) with remote images disabled. Mail.app 4.5 leaks 14 out of 32 categories with remote images disabled.


The iPhone used to leak audio and video too, when images were disabled. I bug reported that ages ago and they fixed it after a few months.

Do you intend to file bug reports for Outlook and Mail.app?

EDIT: I just asked somebody who has Mail.app version 5.2 to test with remote images disabled, and it didn't trigger any of the tests.



Interesting that it seems to loads remote Flash content. I wonder if you could do anything nefarious with that capability. I don't know Flash enough to comment.


Leaks on 12 out of 32.


Does it have an option to enable/disable automatic loading of remote images? If so, what is it set to by default? And does it still leak if you disable loading of remote images?


No such option that I can see.


Can anyone confirm this? I've never seen an email client that lacks such an option...


iOS has the option in the Settings->Mail, Contacts, Calendars section. It is set to load remote images by default.




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