Ember and Rails were both extremely popular at one time. They both went from web development darlings to being legacy products to support. There are still fanatics for both, but there are VB6 fanatics to this day too. Fanatics don't mean anything.
If you're going to call me a liar though you need to do better. What has Ember done but continually play catch up for years and years on end? Here, go look yourself: https://github.com/emberjs/ember.js/releases How many years do you have to scroll back to find anything that influenced anything outside of Ember? The last influential ideas might have been EmberObject to fill gaps in the Javascript language before ES6 became a thing, or the idea of Ember Data as a front end opinionated ORM, though that has mixed results depending on your backend team's buy in.
> Someone should tell Apple, HashiCorp, DigitalOcean and Microsoft they're not cool anymore releasing new stuff in Ember.js, must pick a new JavaScript framework of the year!
If we're going to suggest any dishonesty is taking place, it would be the implication that these companies are Ember shops and not just dealing with lamentable choices that happen to still be in production and too costly to replace.
I don't know why are you turning this into measuring exercise or some sort of iOS vs Android flamewar at who's better and who's done more?
It sounds personal for you.
React is more popular than Ember.js will ever be.
However this is apples to oranges, one is a view library, the other one is a batteries included framework.
I think you're a little out of touch if you honestly believe Ember and especially Ruby on Rails are legacy products. We have multibillion tech companies shipping 10+ years old existing apps and building new apps in both of these frameworks.
This mindset of branding stuff "legacy" because it's not trendy on Twitter or reddit is one of many reasons why JavaScript fatigue exists.
All while Ruby on Rails developers are one of the most happiest and productive web developers shipping stuff because they don't need to reinvent the wheel and solve problems that have been solved a decade ago. (p.s. I've never done RoR, I just understand what convention over configuration does to developer productivity)
If you want recent examples, go look at Apple TV web[1] built in Ember (even though I personally wouldn't use Ember for such a project) or Hashicorp building all their products in Ember and releasing their new Helios design system[2] in Ember just few months ago.
Again, these examples don't matter.
I've hired full-stack JavaScript developers, I couldn't care less if they've done React, Ember, Angular, Vue, Svelte or whatnot.
Because it'll take any proficient JavaScript developer a week or two to understand the concepts and structure of any framework or library above. They all do the same thing - render pages and wire up buttons to run network requests, I don't understand why people make it sound knowing React, Vue or Ember is equivalent to knowing C++.
It's all JavaScript doing the same thing slightly differently.
> What has Ember done but continually play catch up for years and years on end?
> How many years do you have to scroll back to find anything that influenced anything outside of Ember?
I can tell you about ember-fastboot, ember-engines, miragejs, glimmer vm, i18n, accessibility and other things Ember and Ember community have done to SPAs in the last 15 years, but again, why does it matter right now?
Stop measuring who's done more. There's nothing I can tell you that will change your mind, just enjoy whatever you use now.
If you're going to call me a liar though you need to do better. What has Ember done but continually play catch up for years and years on end? Here, go look yourself: https://github.com/emberjs/ember.js/releases How many years do you have to scroll back to find anything that influenced anything outside of Ember? The last influential ideas might have been EmberObject to fill gaps in the Javascript language before ES6 became a thing, or the idea of Ember Data as a front end opinionated ORM, though that has mixed results depending on your backend team's buy in.
> Someone should tell Apple, HashiCorp, DigitalOcean and Microsoft they're not cool anymore releasing new stuff in Ember.js, must pick a new JavaScript framework of the year!
Or I can just look at what front end jobs these companies are posting: https://www.indeed.com/q-apple-web-developer-jobs.html?vjk=b... https://www.indeed.com/jobs?q=hashicorp+front+end&l=&vjk=90c... https://www.indeed.com/jobs?q=Microsoft+web+development&l=&s...
and plainly see that they're not Ember, they're entirely React.
I can find ONE mention of Ember from your company list, and it's a nice-to-have skill for a backend role: https://www.indeed.com/viewjob?jk=7751f4d47fbf9760&tk=1h9hc6...
If we're going to suggest any dishonesty is taking place, it would be the implication that these companies are Ember shops and not just dealing with lamentable choices that happen to still be in production and too costly to replace.