> You keep talking about everything but what has happened the last month.

I've been hearing that "Israel is committing genocide against the Palestinians" for 20 years. It's a little disingenuous to say "oh, no, that's always been a lie, but now it's true".

Then again, you're not necessarily the one who was saying that for the last twenty years, so let me attempt to address you. So I'll ask again - by what definition of genocide do you think Israel is committing genocide as we speak, and do you have any semblance of proof? While 5k dead in the last 2 weeks is a tragic and regrettable number, it is not demonstrative of intent to kill all Palestinians.

As for the humanitarian crisis that's all over the news - Israel is letting in aid now, at least some aid, and has turned back on the water (btw, Israel only provides like 10% of water in Gaza IIRC). Israel is understandably being cautious given that so much aid is stolen by Hamas. But Israel is not letting Palestinians mass starve, as is reflected in the number of dead.

> Also comparing death counts like that is not a logical way to view these situations. You can use the same line of thinking to deny the holocaust. “Only 6 million Jews? Do you really think that’s a genocide when Nazis killed over 20 million Soviets?”

I don't think death counts is the only metric, but it's certainly good evidence one way or the other. As per the UN's definition that I quoted above, "In the present Convention, genocide means any of the following acts committed with intent to destroy, in whole or in part, a national, ethnical, racial or religious group, as such: [...]". So the intent here matters. The Nazis didn't intend to kill all Soviets, they did intend to kill all the Jews (and other groups).

But again, please, you insist that Israel is committing genocide, I'm showing what (to my mind) is pretty conclusive evidence that it isn't doing so under the UN definition of genocide. If you disagree, explain to me how under that definition (or another) Israel is committing genocide.

For the record, I'll repeat again - every civilian (and actually every non-civilian) death is a tragedy, on both sides. But I have full confidence in Israel to not actively target civilians for no reason just to kill them, and I believe all of the tragic history of this region shows that I'm right.

> No I did not mean the land belongs to the Palestinians. It belongs to all who live there, Jew and Arab. The UN is a political entity, the countries who voted had no right to say the Palestinians don’t get that land.

Ok sorry, I misunderstood you.

I think it's a valid historical question to debate whether or not the founding of Israel in that area was just or not. Just as valid as asking the same of any other country, frankly. But given the reality now, there is no way for the ethnostate to go away. Or at least, I certainly don't know of any way in which that happens without the mass killing and/or deportation of the Jews in Israel. Do you have a way of achieving that without that outcome? Also, do you only object to a Jewish ethnostate specifically in that region?

> Last, I notice you had no response to how Israel doesn’t let Gaza build infrastructure. So I’ll assume you saw that was true.

I thought my comment was too long, that's mostly why I didn't answer it. I also don't know enough to answer this in a way that I feel is knowledgeable enough.

I certianly don't think Israel is a saint by any means, and wish it acted differently in many respects. I don't think it's valid to say that it doesn't let Gaza build any infrastructure. Firstly, Gaza has built infrastructure. Secondly, Hamas has shown over and over a willingness to utilize resources (foreign aid, imports, etc) to build weapons to attack Israel. That's a double crime - they're both preventing infrastructure being built, as well as making it so that Israel has to block some of the aid reaching Gaza for fear of it turning into weapons. (There's videos posted proudly by Hamas themselves of them tearing water pipes out of the ground to turn into rockets to shoot at Israel, something to think about when saying that Gazans don't have access to water.)

To be clear, I think the situation isn't Israel vs. Gazans. It's Israel and Gazans vs. Hamas. Hamas is a brutal dictatorship that's taken over Gaza, and is both an enemy of its neighbors, as well as a ruthless ruler that hurts its own population.