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Perhaps I am also ignorant, but I thought the Latin+diacritics system was invented by a Frenchman in modern times, rather than being native to Vietnam.


Close, it was actually portuguese missionaries.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vietnamese_alphabet


Right, so then it is a transliteration and it is not native to Vietnamese, despite what GP says.


Almost every writing system was imported from somewhere else, including something like half a dozen evolutions of the one we're using now (which was Latin, which was Greek, before that Phoenician, before that Egyptian).

What matters is that the Vietnamese use the script to write their own language, which is not the case for (say) romanized Chinese.


>early 17th century.

At what point does something become naturalized? This feels needlessly pedantic.


It's not a transliteration. What supposed writing system are Vietnamese originally writing in, before they transfer it to Latin script?


Chinese-like characters, which were transliterated by Europeans into Latin. This system was made official by the French rulers of Vietnam.


So you're saying that because the country was once colonized, their writing system is not "real" enough for you, and you only consider it a transliteration? That seems extremely disrespectful.


Nope, I didn't say any of that.


The Latin alphabet is not native to English, and it's a much worse fit for that language that it is for Vietnamese.


That is a really dumb point. Then Finnish has no writing system either, because it was created by a swede in the 16th century. Strange how there exist languages without writing systems, yet people write them?


it's the only official writing system that we have. The non latin scripts have practically disappeared from modern life.

We had centuries of Chinese scripts, which is definitely not native, then a short lived Chinese-like writing system that is the closest thing to "native", (it's not, see "Chinese-like"). Even that was not used as official system for as long as the current latin alphabet.


As a Viet, I am just speechless to you, someone brought up the topic of respecting the language as it's used today, and you wanna dilute the conversation by arguing what is native and what is not?


Sorry, I mean no disrespect. For my own language, Latin isn't native to English and English isn't native to Britain. These facts are nothing to get upset about.


Ridiculous opinion. If no country in the world has either a native alphabet nor a native language, then what is the point of the word "native"?


> If no country in the world has either a native alphabet nor a native language

Who said that? I certainly didn't.

It's not very nice to go around calling people ignorant, ridiculous and dumb. You should stop doing that.


it's annoying because it's irrelevant to the topic at hand




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