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> Also include Norm Finklestein

Why would he be one of the New Historians? Norman Finkelstein isn't really even a historian, he's more of a activist/political scientist if anything AFAIU.

> watch their debate hosted by Lex Fridman.

I've seen it, it's pretty clear if you dig into the facts that the accusations of genocide against Israel are not supported by the evidence.

It's also quite clear that people like Norman Finkelstein like to cherry-pick facts(often from books written by Benny Morris) to support a particular narrative. Benny Morris tends to take a more balanced view of the history in general which has a lot of nuance.





The guy actually said "Israeli historians", not "New Historians", which means he's probably not reading the people the New Historians were responding to. He's just looking for legitimation propaganda for antizionist politics.

> The guy actually said "Israeli historians", not "New Historians"

The 3 historians he listed were 3 out of the 4 most well known "New Historians", but him leaving out Benny Morris(arguably the most well known of the New Historians and the one who coined the term itself) was a bit of a red flag to me that he's cherry-picking sources to support a particular narrative. Technically the "New Historians" are a subset of "Israeli historians".

> he's probably not reading the people the New Historians were responding to.

Yeah, I'm sure he isn't, although I'm probably also less familiar with those original historians myself as well since I was born after the point in which the "New Historians" had access to the declassified archives.

Even amongst the New Historians there's a lot of disagreements on things like which side has been more of an impediment to peace and a number of other key issues, with Benny Morris often being highly critical of say Ilan Pappé.

My own views of the history of the conflict and Zionism in general are probably broadly in line with those of Benny Morris. It's important to at least try and understand the history/perspectives of both sides of these conflict. At the same time it's worrying that even a lot of otherwise intelligent individuals would fall for rather overt antisemitic propaganda.


Even a cursory search of spending 5 minutes on their academic careers would have given you a better understanding of who the better scholar is.

Of course Benny Morris takes a more balanced view. He’s trying hard to make up for the imbalance.


> Even a cursory search of spending 5 minutes on their academic careers would have given you a better understanding of who the better scholar is.

Yeah, one is a real historian and the other calls a Holocaust denier "a very good historian"[0].

> Of course Benny Morris takes a more balanced view. He’s trying hard to make up for the imbalance.

Maybe neutral is a better word, Benny Morris is certainly much less of an activist than someone like Norman Finkelstein.

[0] https://www.thejc.com/news/norman-finkelstein-praises-holoca...


See earlier links listed including by Jewish genocide experts. But nah, you know more than them because you chatgpt’d it.



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