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I'm unsure if you're being deliberately obtuse or if you're just trying to sensationalize what I've said. Neither are good... and this is quickly devolving from a discussion about being well-informed to a flame war. Let's not flame war please.

Nothing I've said says anything about shooting bystanders.

What I have said, over and over again, is using round count as some sort of point is very misguided. Given the events of that day already occurred, it is very unsurprising 107 rounds were fired. That does not make it right that any rounds were fired at all. I'm sorry if you cannot understand this nuance.



> What I have said, over and over again, is using round count as some sort of point is very misguided.

You have said that over and over again. You aren't supporting that point in any way though, you're just saying it over and over.

You seem to think that "police training" or "firearms training 101" or whatever is a fundamental, unchangable law of the universe. "Of course they shot at a random bystander 107 times, gravity is 9.8m/s^2, what do you expect?"

In reality this "training" was developed by psychopaths who want to ensure that cops are held to a different set of standards than the rest of us unwashed masses. It's not a natural rule of the universe! It can be questioned and changed!

Imagine if after the single "jumpy" cop took one shot the other cops said "hey knock that off, there's no threat here." That seems to be wholly against this precious training you're willing to go to the mat for, but I'm expected to believe it would be a worse outcome than shooting innocent bystanders 107 times? Get the boot out of your mouth.


The training is this way because if the gun comes out, it is being used. And guns don't give hugs and kisses...

A gun is a tool, used to remove a threat. The best way to accomplish that is to use it until there is no more threat.

There is no other possible training for this - so yes it's a lot like your gravity analogy, although much colder and unforgiving.

This is not the movies. I can't say that enough. The movies have really warped people's perception of reality when it comes to firearms.

Before you respond - consider this: Why are we focused on the round count and the possible implied lack of training that led to 107 rounds being fired instead of focusing on the clear lack of training that led to the situation in the first place? The round count couldn't literally matter any less...


But the only gun that came out was from the cops! The only threat was from the cops! Why are you lying about this? You seem to understand that there was no other threat but you keep acting like there was!

Maybe the other cops should have shot the first cop 92 times, that would be OK I guess.

EDIT:

> The round count couldn't literally matter any less...

Are you actually just stupid? Would you like to get shot at 1 time or 107 times?


> The only threat was from the cops!

We know that now, don't we. Which means your focus should be on how this threat was perceived so incorrectly - not how the threat was ended.

A threat is a term used to describe anything that you perceive (correctly or incorrectly) as an immediate danger to yourself or those around you.

> Are you actually just stupid? Would you like to get shot at 1 time or 107 times?

Clearly you are not interested in learning here... but I'll try again.

The fact that these officers (likely a single officer actually) incorrectly identified this vehicle as a threat is where your energies should be placed. The round count is irrelevant, unless you assume the events of that day could not be avoided?

Given the events happened, 107 rounds is not surprising. Do not use round count like it's some sort of indicator of anything other than the wielder's own uninformed opinions. Just don't do it... focus on what matters instead.




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